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Beware: Snoracle is shutting down sun dev forums!

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kleopatra
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see my anger in

http://forums.sun.com/thread.jspa?messageID=11050534

probably bound to be censored soon, so copying here:

I bet this forum is one of the most important single sources for getting top-quality high-expertise support on Swing - both for entry level and the finer points. Shutting it down - especially on the short advance notice of only ONE SINGLE WEEK sure does hurt the community even more than the neglect we got used to during the last years. Alternatives are ... not really abundant. Hoping for a similarly active replacement at Oracle feels (to me) like wishful thinking.

So .. what the hell should we do? What's the next victim? java.net was down, bug parade was down - what are they doing? And more importantly, what can we do to keep a forum as alive as this rocking?

Really angry
Jeanette

Edited by: Kleopatra on 18.09.2010 01:06

specifically: following the link in the red text passages - "new forums will be created at ..." - that's just a overview page listing everything and its grandparents except desktop, let alone Swing

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darrylburke
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I'm happy to announce that the entire content of the Swing forum at
http://forums.sun.com/forum.jspa?forumID=57
has been successfully migrated to
http://forums.oracle.com/forums/forum.jspa?forumID=950

Since all user accounts (the vast majority of which are one-time wonders who create a new account every time they have a question ;-) ) couldn't possibly be migrated, most of the posts show as being by "SunForumsGuest" which makes it a little difficult to follow a conversation in some of the older threads, but anyhow the content has been preserved. The original Sun forum will remain read-only for a couple of months until the server is shut down (RIP).

Most (all?) of the regulars of the Sun Swing forum have made their appearance at forums.oracle.com. The rate of new posts/questions has been rather low, but that's not Swing-specific, it's across all categories. Guess it'll take some time for the script kiddies to discover the new fountain of knowledge, aka "Gimme teh codez'

db

kleopatra
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Darryl,

thanks to snoracle, I now can re-read all my old posts and all posts in those threads ;-) Fortunately, that shouldn't be more than a 2k (my 700+ muliplied by an arbitrary factor).

how are you going to cope, 22k multiplied by the same would be 66k?

Thanks
Jeanette

darrylburke
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> how are you going to cope, 22k multiplied by the same would be 66k?
A good many of those were moderator posts that I don't need to revisit. and then there were the endless bickerings about Date and TimeZone ;)

I keep all code I post in a NetBeans project as long as it's meaningful to me, so just about the only time I want to revisit an old thread I posted in is when I want to offer the same solution. And Google comes to the rescue there :) but it may take some time before the newly migrated content comes up in searches.

Apart from which, I answer a good many of the most commonly posted questions with a link to the tutorials or tips4java.

db

kleopatra
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didn't expect you (or anybody :-) to really read those notifications, me at least didn't after the first handful Was curious how your inbox would cope with the mere volume ...

Cheers
Jeanette

darrylburke
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I stopped email updates about 2 years ago, and when I started getting spammed as a result of a bug in the Sun forum software I used the 'block sender' feature.

Those who had email updates turned off on forums.sun aren't getting the floods of email that many others are being swamped with ;)

db

edit Oh, and if you're interested - http://forums.oracle.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=1518160

rturnbull
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I am also getting swamped with emails pointing to copies of old posts I made here (up to 9
emails per post today - 25 in all. Had over 80 emails a few days ago). The email says
someone has commented on my post and purports to come from admin@javanet. A
sample post is at
http://sc150.cognisync.net/forum/topic/javadesktop/java-desktop-technolo...

What is this ? It sort of looks like javanet. When I try to log in it throws me back to javanet,
logs me in then tries to load a non-eisting page.
Is this something to do with sun dev forums changes. As far as I know I've not even got a sign in for sun dev forums.

Or is it just spam

kleopatra
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it doesn't only look like javanet but is javanet:

http://weblogs.java.net/blog/communitymanager/archive/2010/10/02/were-ge...

Seems to be normal snoracle procedure when migrating forum content Here it stopped after the first bunch of 100 or so yesterday morning. Hope it's over permanently.

CU
Jeanette

darrylburke
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> Notice the threads are empty, back to year 1.
Update: migration of content has started and many subforums are repopulated, as can be seen on
http://forums.oracle.com/forums/category.jspa?categoryID=285

The New to Java forum is presently being migrated, and at last check was about halfway done. Judging from the progress, I'd guess that the Swing forum threads would be migrated before the end of the week. I'll post an update here when that happens.

db

kleopatra
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Darryl,

thanks for keeping us posted. How's the migration of profile/posting history going? My new Kleopatra at snoracle is a newbie with 3 postings - reborn over night

CU
Jeanette

darrylburke
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> Darryl,
>
> thanks for keeping us posted.
YW

> How's the migration of profile/posting history going? My new Kleopatra at
> snoracle is a newbie with 3 postings - reborn over night
494 posts now. Your old account shows 769 posts. You may have had some posts in forums yet to be migrated, so the new post count will rise further.

Till date, my new post count is 12K+ against 22K+ on the old forum.

db

darrylburke
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The new Swing forum url will be
http://forums.oracle.com/forums/forum.jspa?forumID=950

The Java forums will be grouped under
http://forums.oracle.com/forums/category.jspa?categoryID=285

It's still a few hours before forums.sun.com transitions to forums.oracle.com, so no complaints that the link doesn't work, please :).

db

darrylburke
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The new forums are open for business.

The old forums at forums.sun.com are read-only.

db

osbald
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Are you taking feedback anywhere?

Shame the search results are missing number of replies, answered & helpful flags. This means when your searching for your problem you spend too much time looking at unanswered similar questions. Would be nice to be able to filter or sort hits by these. Previous Sun forums used to have these couple of years ago before the some rebranding effort. Much missed.

Notice the threads are empty, back to year 1. Is there any chance you could make the search function a federated search so the results include hits from the read-only forums too. I'll let you off the replies counts on those ;)

The category field on the search field is pretty terrifying, if I was a new developer (do we still get any of those?) I'd find it pretty overwhelming and intimidating.

Ditto for the java.net redesign.

darrylburke
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> Are you taking feedback anywhere?
Sorry, I'm just a forum member. I have no official affiliation, nor am i an employee of either Sun or Oracle. However there is a thread we have started primarily for abuse reports, which will be closely monitored by the Sun/Solaris moderators. Any feedback like bug reports / RFEs will definitely be passed on to an Oracle person.
http://forums.oracle.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=1134017

Whenever that thread gets too long, it will be replaced by another with the same subject line.

> Notice the threads are empty, back to year 1.
We're hoping the existing content will be migrated, but till now we don't have any clear cut statement on whether that's being done. If you're interested, you can go through the recent discussions here
http://forums.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=5447607

> Is there any chance you could make the search function a federated search so the results include hits from the read-only forums too.
I normally use Google, not a forum search, and the site:forums.sun.com tag works well for me.

cheers, db

darrylburke
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Since forums.sun.com is soon to be read-only, the thread quoted has been moved to the News and Updates forum and can be viewed at
http://forums.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=5450735

db

darrylburke
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> probably bound to be censored soon
Nope, it's still there and won't be censored. Once it drops down a few pages in the listing I might move it to the N&U forum.

> Hoping for a similarly active replacement at Oracle feels (to me) like wishful thinking.
How many really active answerers are there at any given point of time? 10? 12? 15? Till date I'm aware of only one active Swing forum member (actually, more active on Java 2D) who has stated that he will not be joining OTN. I fully expect to see all the other regulars there (including you ;-). And since forums.sun URLs will redirect to the equivalent categories of OTN for a few months, the questioners will find their way there too. So we can hope that barring any teething problems, the new Swing forum on OTN will be every bit as active as http://forums.sun.com/forum.jspa?forumID=57

> just a overview page listing everything and its grandparents except desktop, let alone Swing
All categories and subforums under forums.sun.com will be open to members on OTN from the 24th of this month. That includes Swing.

I had suggested merging Swing, AWT and Java Desktop Applications, but while that may be done at a later date, the migration will be a straightforward 1:1 move for the time being.

The only aspect that's not yet clear is whether the existing forum content will be migrated and merged or whether it will only remain available in the archived, read-only Sun forums. Till now, the new subforums on OTN (which are open to only some of Sun forum moderators -- not to me) are empty of threads.

As soon as I get any more information I'll post an update here.

db