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Anonymous

i'm using icefaces, which requires JSF 1.2. i used to be able to
uninstall JSF 2.0 and install 1.2 by following these instructions,

http://www.icefaces.org/JForum/posts/list/11335.page

however, now when i try to remove 2.0, it says that it is required by
another pkg (web 3.0.0?), and the JSF 1.2 pkgs listed there are no
longer available.

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Jeffrey Blattman

okay, i installed the "server v3" version from glassfish-v3-ea-b44.zip,
and it still has

On 8/5/09 1:41 PM, Jim Driscoll wrote:
> There's a number of v3 versions. Prelude comes with 1.2, Preview
> (yeah, I know, confusing) comes with 2.0, and 1.2 (probably) won't
> work with it - though 2.0 should run 1.2 apps...
okay, i installed the "server v3" version from glassfish-v3-ea-b44.zip,
and it still has JSF 2.0.

glassfish-jsf 2.0.0-9 installed
u---
>
> Prelude is production supported, but installing 2.0 on it isn't
> production supported, though it should work, IIRC (2.0 isn't fully
> stable yet). Preview is not production supported - it's our name for
> our Beta. FCS will be out later this year.
>
> But really, anything that doesn't work in 2.0, that used to work in
> 1.2, is a bug, and should be reported as such. Does ICEFaces actually
> say they don't work in 2.0? That'd be odd.
>
> Jim
>
> On 8/5/09 1:34 PM, Jeffrey Blattman wrote:
>> sorry, v3. i haven't installed any packages.
>>
>> as to whether it's production, this is for our product / project
>> (https://opensso.dev.java.net) which we expect to run on a variety of
>> web containers including GFv3. yes, we support customers going to
>> production w/ v3.
>>
>> On 8/5/09 1:30 PM, Jim Driscoll wrote:
>>> What version of Glassfish are you using?
>>>
>>> What packages have you installed?
>>>
>>> Is this in production?
>>>
>>> The answers matter to what you should do, but I think the easiest
>>> thing to do is to have one version installed that uses 1.2, and
>>> another that uses 2.0 - we haven't really tested/designed for
>>> "downgrade" of packages, only upgrade.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> On 8/5/09 1:22 PM, Jeffrey Blattman wrote:
>>>> i'm using icefaces, which requires JSF 1.2. i used to be able to
>>>> uninstall JSF 2.0 and install 1.2 by following these instructions,
>>>>
>>>> http://www.icefaces.org/JForum/posts/list/11335.page
>>>>
>>>> however, now when i try to remove 2.0, it says that it is required by
>>>> another pkg (web 3.0.0?), and the JSF 1.2 pkgs listed there are no
>>>> longer available.
>>>>
>>>> ?
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On 8/5/09 1:22 PM, Jeffrey Blattman wrote:
> i'm using icefaces, which requires JSF 1.2. i used to be able to
> uninstall JSF 2.0 and install 1.2 by following these instructions,
>
> http://www.icefaces.org/JForum/posts/list/11335.page
>
> however, now when i try to remove 2.0, it says that it is required by
> another pkg (web 3.0.0?), and the JSF 1.2 pkgs listed there are no
> longer available.
Bundle the JSF 1.2 implementation JARs with your application.

Include a sun-web.xml that looks something like:


Application Server 3.0 Servlet 3.0//EN"
"http://www.sun.com/software/appserver/dtds/sun-web-app_3_0-0.dtd">

in WEB-INF of your war and deploy it without changing the jars included
with v3.
>
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Jeffrey Blattman

yes i tried the below already ryan. this gives me some strange errors
related to xerces versioning. i am sure this has to do with other almost
unexplainable intricacies of our web app.

On 8/5/09 1:46 PM, Ryan Lubke wrote:
> On 8/5/09 1:22 PM, Jeffrey Blattman wrote:
>> i'm using icefaces, which requires JSF 1.2. i used to be able to
>> uninstall JSF 2.0 and install 1.2 by following these instructions,
>>
>> http://www.icefaces.org/JForum/posts/list/11335.page
>>
>> however, now when i try to remove 2.0, it says that it is required by
>> another pkg (web 3.0.0?), and the JSF 1.2 pkgs listed there are no
>> longer available.
> Bundle the JSF 1.2 implementation JARs with your application.
>
> Include a sun-web.xml that looks something like:
>
>
> > Application Server 3.0 Servlet 3.0//EN"
> "http://www.sun.com/software/appserver/dtds/sun-web-app_3_0-0.dtd">
>
>
>
>

>
> in WEB-INF of your war and deploy it without changing the jars
> included with v3.
>>
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Ryan Lubke

On 8/5/09 1:54 PM, Jeffrey Blattman wrote:
> yes i tried the below already ryan. this gives me some strange errors
> related to xerces versioning. i am sure this has to do with other
> almost unexplainable intricacies of our web app.
Mojarra requires JAXP 1.3. So it sounds like you've got JAXP 1.2 or
older in your application and it's replacing the older factories.
I've only seen this a handful of times, but each time the issue was
resolved by updating the JAXP implementation in the application.

>
> On 8/5/09 1:46 PM, Ryan Lubke wrote:
>> On 8/5/09 1:22 PM, Jeffrey Blattman wrote:
>>> i'm using icefaces, which requires JSF 1.2. i used to be able to
>>> uninstall JSF 2.0 and install 1.2 by following these instructions,
>>>
>>> http://www.icefaces.org/JForum/posts/list/11335.page
>>>
>>> however, now when i try to remove 2.0, it says that it is required
>>> by another pkg (web 3.0.0?), and the JSF 1.2 pkgs listed there are
>>> no longer available.
>> Bundle the JSF 1.2 implementation JARs with your application.
>>
>> Include a sun-web.xml that looks something like:
>>
>>
>> >> GlassFish Application Server 3.0 Servlet 3.0//EN"
>> "http://www.sun.com/software/appserver/dtds/sun-web-app_3_0-0.dtd">
>>
>>
>>
>>

>>
>> in WEB-INF of your war and deploy it without changing the jars
>> included with v3.
>>>
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Jeffrey Blattman

sigh. yes, our app bundles JAXP ... and to get it loaded, it does some
terrible, terrible classloader hackery. i don't think i'll be able to
solve things in this direction. thanks.

On 8/5/09 2:23 PM, Ryan Lubke wrote:
> On 8/5/09 1:54 PM, Jeffrey Blattman wrote:
>> yes i tried the below already ryan. this gives me some strange errors
>> related to xerces versioning. i am sure this has to do with other
>> almost unexplainable intricacies of our web app.
> Mojarra requires JAXP 1.3. So it sounds like you've got JAXP 1.2 or
> older in your application and it's replacing the older factories.
> I've only seen this a handful of times, but each time the issue was
> resolved by updating the JAXP implementation in the application.
>
>>
>> On 8/5/09 1:46 PM, Ryan Lubke wrote:
>>> On 8/5/09 1:22 PM, Jeffrey Blattman wrote:
>>>> i'm using icefaces, which requires JSF 1.2. i used to be able to
>>>> uninstall JSF 2.0 and install 1.2 by following these instructions,
>>>>
>>>> http://www.icefaces.org/JForum/posts/list/11335.page
>>>>
>>>> however, now when i try to remove 2.0, it says that it is required
>>>> by another pkg (web 3.0.0?), and the JSF 1.2 pkgs listed there are
>>>> no longer available.
>>> Bundle the JSF 1.2 implementation JARs with your application.
>>>
>>> Include a sun-web.xml that looks something like:
>>>
>>>
>>> >>> GlassFish Application Server 3.0 Servlet 3.0//EN"
>>> "http://www.sun.com/software/appserver/dtds/sun-web-app_3_0-0.dtd">
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

>>>
>>> in WEB-INF of your war and deploy it without changing the jars
>>> included with v3.
>>>>
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Jim Driscoll

What version of Glassfish are you using?

What packages have you installed?

Is this in production?

The answers matter to what you should do, but I think the easiest thing
to do is to have one version installed that uses 1.2, and another that
uses 2.0 - we haven't really tested/designed for "downgrade" of
packages, only upgrade.

Jim

On 8/5/09 1:22 PM, Jeffrey Blattman wrote:
> i'm using icefaces, which requires JSF 1.2. i used to be able to
> uninstall JSF 2.0 and install 1.2 by following these instructions,
>
> http://www.icefaces.org/JForum/posts/list/11335.page
>
> however, now when i try to remove 2.0, it says that it is required by
> another pkg (web 3.0.0?), and the JSF 1.2 pkgs listed there are no
> longer available.
>
> ?
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Jeffrey Blattman

sorry, v3. i haven't installed any packages.

as to whether it's production, this is for our product / project
(https://opensso.dev.java.net) which we expect to run on a variety of
web containers including GFv3. yes, we support customers going to
production w/ v3.

On 8/5/09 1:30 PM, Jim Driscoll wrote:
> What version of Glassfish are you using?
>
> What packages have you installed?
>
> Is this in production?
>
> The answers matter to what you should do, but I think the easiest
> thing to do is to have one version installed that uses 1.2, and
> another that uses 2.0 - we haven't really tested/designed for
> "downgrade" of packages, only upgrade.
>
> Jim
>
> On 8/5/09 1:22 PM, Jeffrey Blattman wrote:
>> i'm using icefaces, which requires JSF 1.2. i used to be able to
>> uninstall JSF 2.0 and install 1.2 by following these instructions,
>>
>> http://www.icefaces.org/JForum/posts/list/11335.page
>>
>> however, now when i try to remove 2.0, it says that it is required by
>> another pkg (web 3.0.0?), and the JSF 1.2 pkgs listed there are no
>> longer available.
>>
>> ?
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Jim Driscoll

There's a number of v3 versions. Prelude comes with 1.2, Preview (yeah,
I know, confusing) comes with 2.0, and 1.2 (probably) won't work with it
- though 2.0 should run 1.2 apps...

Prelude is production supported, but installing 2.0 on it isn't
production supported, though it should work, IIRC (2.0 isn't fully
stable yet). Preview is not production supported - it's our name for
our Beta. FCS will be out later this year.

But really, anything that doesn't work in 2.0, that used to work in 1.2,
is a bug, and should be reported as such. Does ICEFaces actually say
they don't work in 2.0? That'd be odd.

Jim

On 8/5/09 1:34 PM, Jeffrey Blattman wrote:
> sorry, v3. i haven't installed any packages.
>
> as to whether it's production, this is for our product / project
> (https://opensso.dev.java.net) which we expect to run on a variety of
> web containers including GFv3. yes, we support customers going to
> production w/ v3.
>
> On 8/5/09 1:30 PM, Jim Driscoll wrote:
>> What version of Glassfish are you using?
>>
>> What packages have you installed?
>>
>> Is this in production?
>>
>> The answers matter to what you should do, but I think the easiest
>> thing to do is to have one version installed that uses 1.2, and
>> another that uses 2.0 - we haven't really tested/designed for
>> "downgrade" of packages, only upgrade.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> On 8/5/09 1:22 PM, Jeffrey Blattman wrote:
>>> i'm using icefaces, which requires JSF 1.2. i used to be able to
>>> uninstall JSF 2.0 and install 1.2 by following these instructions,
>>>
>>> http://www.icefaces.org/JForum/posts/list/11335.page
>>>
>>> however, now when i try to remove 2.0, it says that it is required by
>>> another pkg (web 3.0.0?), and the JSF 1.2 pkgs listed there are no
>>> longer available.
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
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Jeffrey Blattman

On 8/5/09 1:41 PM, Jim Driscoll wrote:

> There's a number of v3 versions. Prelude comes with 1.2, Preview
> (yeah, I know, confusing) comes with 2.0, and 1.2 (probably) won't
> work with it - though 2.0 should run 1.2 apps...
>
hmmm. the download page has "glassfish server v3" and "glassfish server
v3 preview". there's no prelude. did you mean server v3?

further. the server v3 links brings me to a directory listing. would
glassfish-v3-ea-* be what i'm looking for, for the version that runs 1.2?
> Prelude is production supported, but installing 2.0 on it isn't
> production supported, though it should work, IIRC (2.0 isn't fully
> stable yet). Preview is not production supported - it's our name for
> our Beta. FCS will be out later this year.
ok that's good ammunition to explain why we might not support preview.
>
> But really, anything that doesn't work in 2.0, that used to work in
> 1.2, is a bug, and should be reported as such. Does ICEFaces actually
> say they don't work in 2.0? That'd be odd.
>
yes, they say they don't support it.
http://jira.icefaces.org/browse/ICE-4704
> Jim
>
> On 8/5/09 1:34 PM, Jeffrey Blattman wrote:
>> sorry, v3. i haven't installed any packages.
>>
>> as to whether it's production, this is for our product / project
>> (https://opensso.dev.java.net) which we expect to run on a variety of
>> web containers including GFv3. yes, we support customers going to
>> production w/ v3.
>>
>> On 8/5/09 1:30 PM, Jim Driscoll wrote:
>>> What version of Glassfish are you using?
>>>
>>> What packages have you installed?
>>>
>>> Is this in production?
>>>
>>> The answers matter to what you should do, but I think the easiest
>>> thing to do is to have one version installed that uses 1.2, and
>>> another that uses 2.0 - we haven't really tested/designed for
>>> "downgrade" of packages, only upgrade.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> On 8/5/09 1:22 PM, Jeffrey Blattman wrote:
>>>> i'm using icefaces, which requires JSF 1.2. i used to be able to
>>>> uninstall JSF 2.0 and install 1.2 by following these instructions,
>>>>
>>>> http://www.icefaces.org/JForum/posts/list/11335.page
>>>>
>>>> however, now when i try to remove 2.0, it says that it is required by
>>>> another pkg (web 3.0.0?), and the JSF 1.2 pkgs listed there are no
>>>> longer available.
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>>
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Jim Driscoll

On 8/5/09 1:50 PM, Jeffrey Blattman wrote:
> On 8/5/09 1:41 PM, Jim Driscoll wrote:
>
>> There's a number of v3 versions. Prelude comes with 1.2, Preview
>> (yeah, I know, confusing) comes with 2.0, and 1.2 (probably) won't
>> work with it - though 2.0 should run 1.2 apps...
>>
> hmmm. the download page has "glassfish server v3" and "glassfish server
> v3 preview". there's no prelude. did you mean server v3?
>

It's there - you need to scroll down a bit on the page. (Look under
"Final Release" - that means FCS quality supported versions.

> further. the server v3 links brings me to a directory listing. would
> glassfish-v3-ea-* be what i'm looking for, for the version that runs 1.2?

Nope. That's a promoted build - the latest of which is build 56, which
is what I'm currently running. Pretty stable, though the error logs get
a little wordy. All versions of v3 except Prelude are JSF 2.0.

>> Prelude is production supported, but installing 2.0 on it isn't
>> production supported, though it should work, IIRC (2.0 isn't fully
>> stable yet). Preview is not production supported - it's our name for
>> our Beta. FCS will be out later this year.
> ok that's good ammunition to explain why we might not support preview.

s/Preview/Beta - that may help you understand what Preview is (it's a
beta), and why although you shouldn't support it for production, you
should get ready to, since it's what will eventually become the Java EE
6 FCS release, which we'll hopefully just call v3. (and that will
happen before the end of the year, so, pretty soon)

>> But really, anything that doesn't work in 2.0, that used to work in
>> 1.2, is a bug, and should be reported as such. Does ICEFaces actually
>> say they don't work in 2.0? That'd be odd.
>>
> yes, they say they don't support it.

Out of curiousity, have you tried it with 2.0? As I said, it *should*
work - even with the interesting stuff that they're doing for ajax and
comet. Not that they'll answer questions if it breaks - they need to
limit themselves for supported platforms, or else they'll never get any
work done.

But even if it doesn't work, this should help:

http://blog.icefaces.org/blojsom/blog/default/2009/07/01/ICEfaces-1-8RC1...

Note that although they tested ICEFaces with Prelude updated to 2.0, you
could also (presumably) use Preview updated to the latest 2.0 release.

Jim

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Jeffrey Blattman

thanks jim,

On 8/5/09 2:58 PM, Jim Driscoll wrote:
>
>
> On 8/5/09 1:50 PM, Jeffrey Blattman wrote:
>> On 8/5/09 1:41 PM, Jim Driscoll wrote:
>>
>>> There's a number of v3 versions. Prelude comes with 1.2, Preview
>>> (yeah, I know, confusing) comes with 2.0, and 1.2 (probably) won't
>>> work with it - though 2.0 should run 1.2 apps...
>>>
>> hmmm. the download page has "glassfish server v3" and "glassfish server
>> v3 preview". there's no prelude. did you mean server v3?
>>
>
> It's there - you need to scroll down a bit on the page. (Look under
> "Final Release" - that means FCS quality supported versions.
pfft. yes i found it. i'm trying with prelude now, i've gotten farther.
see email to follow this.
>>> But really, anything that doesn't work in 2.0, that used to work in
>>> 1.2, is a bug, and should be reported as such. Does ICEFaces actually
>>> say they don't work in 2.0? That'd be odd.
>>>
>> yes, they say they don't support it.
>
> Out of curiousity, have you tried it with 2.0? As I said, it *should*
> work - even with the interesting stuff that they're doing for ajax and
> comet. Not that they'll answer questions if it breaks - they need to
> limit themselves for supported platforms, or else they'll never get
> any work done.
>
yes i tried it. same error as reported in the link i provided.
> But even if it doesn't work, this should help:
>
> http://blog.icefaces.org/blojsom/blog/default/2009/07/01/ICEfaces-1-8RC1...
>
>
yeah i saw that. we build one WAR for all platforms, so rebuilding
icefaces for JSF 2.0 isn't an option. even if it was, the support
implications probably wouldn't be acceptable.
> Note that although they tested ICEFaces with Prelude updated to 2.0,
> you could also (presumably) use Preview updated to the latest 2.0
> release.
>
> Jim
>
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On 8/5/09 3:02 PM, Jeffrey Blattman wrote:
>>
> yeah i saw that. we build one WAR for all platforms, so rebuilding
> icefaces for JSF 2.0 isn't an option. even if it was, the support
> implications probably wouldn't be acceptable.

At some point, it looks like you're going to need to have two wars if
you continue working with ICEFaces - one for 1.2, and one for 2.0 -
since ICEFaces seems to be splitting their support for 1.2 (in 1.7) and
2.0 (in 1.8).

If you work solely with GlassFish, then Ryan's earlier suggestion will
help (bundling 1.2) provided you address the JAXP issue, but that won't
necessarily help you on other Application Servers - and that will
probably make your problem harder than just doing two wars. As more of
them go to Java EE 6, your problem will compound. Glassfish is just the
first, you can expect that JBoss and Weblogic will be doing their best
to get up to EE 6 quickly. Websphere has traditionally lagged.

I guess it depends on how many different application servers you're
supporting.

I'm not really seeing any other good options for you - though we'll try
our best to work with you on this.

Jim

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