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Jason Lee

Hello, everyone. Please see Ken's message below. We'd *really* like
your feedback on this. :)

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Ken Paulsen
> Date: February 25, 2009 2:36:31 PM CST
> To: dev@glassfish.dev.java.net, users@glassfish.dev.java.net, quality@glassfish.dev.java.net
> Subject: Opinions Wanted: v3 GUI Prototype
> Reply-To: dev@glassfish.dev.java.net
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> The GlassFish admin console team has been working hard on ways to
> simplify our development, while at the same time attempting to
> improve the experience of using the console. We have created a
> prototype which shows a couple different designs we are
> considering... we'd like your feedback on what you think of it.
> Here's how you can help:
> Try the working prototype at: http://63.227.208.233:9999/admingui/
> Respond to this email or to my blog that I am about to write about
> this (http://blogs.sun.com/paulsen). I think Jason and Anissa will
> probably write too (http://blogs.steeplesoft.com/ or http://blogs.sun.com/anilam/)
> .
> Here are some things we are particularly interested in feedback on:
> Do you like/dislike the menus?
> Do you like/dislike the tree?
> Do you like/dislike the tagging feature?
> Of course all other comments are also welcome (what's missing? what
> do you really like? what do you dislike? etc.). We know there are
> many issues with this UI, it is an early prototype -- far from
> production ready. Some major issues we're aware of:
> Many broken button clicks (particularly posts that don't do a
> redirect)
> Performance -- it's not good right now, it will be MUCH better when
> it's not a prototype (note: it also doesn't help that this prototype
> is running on a small desktop machine over a DSL-line... ;) ).
> Many pages are broken (some intentionally for the public demo,
> others are simply not implemented)
> List of tagged pages can sometimes show duplicates
> Ajax for updating tags and other portions of the screen is not
> implemented
> Breadcrumbs do not exist
> So... as you can see we're not looking for bugs, but rather general
> feedback on the navigation and L&F. Thanks for taking a look!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ken Paulsen (and the rest of the GF Admin Console Team)
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Jason Lee
Senior Java Developer
GlassFish Administration Console

Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Phone x31197/+1 405-343-1964
Email jasondlee@sun.com
Blog http://blogs.sun.com/jasondlee
Blog http://blogs.steeplesoft.com

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Jim Driscoll

Thanks for asking our opinions.

Well, you probably aren't going to like me saying this, but... I miss
the left hand nav tree.

But that's just being used to the interface. Still, you'll probably
hear that again from others. I find pulldown menus, especially those
that nest, as harder to navigate with the mouse. (At least your menus
remain of you accidentally mouse out of the menu area - it's almost
unusable if they collapse when you do that). Unfortunately, because
they remain up, they obscure part of the screen that you may need - and
they stay that way, even if you click outside of the menu area - I
expect the menu to collapse back down if I click outside of the menu area.

The tag system took me a minute to figure out - and I'm familiar with
tagging.

You can list all tag pages, but there doesn't seem to be a way to list
and manage all tags.

Nor is there a way to select from a list of tags when tagging pages.

Both are necessary for tagging to work well, since otherwise you'll get
a lot of overlapping tag meanings, like "favorites" "Favorites" and
"Common Tasks".

Another suggestion is to automatically lowercase and possibly strip
spaces, to prevent tag overlap.

And, simply as a matter of visual style, the "X" at the end doesn't look
pretty - a gif (which you probably have planned) would look a little
less garage code.

I love the way Flickr does tagging, with Delicious being a close second,
though I'm sure you've looked at both in your design.

Still, pretty spiffy.

One last thing is the the initial load of the screen is quite
noticeable, and jarring. There are ways around that, and I'd urge you
to explore them.

Jim

On 2/25/09 3:37 PM, Jason Lee wrote:
> Hello, everyone. Please see Ken's message below. We'd *really* like your
> feedback on this. :)
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> *From: *Ken Paulsen >
>> *Date: *February 25, 2009 2:36:31 PM CST
>> *To: *dev@glassfish.dev.java.net ,
>> users@glassfish.dev.java.net ,
>> quality@glassfish.dev.java.net
>> *Subject: **Opinions Wanted: v3 GUI Prototype*
>> *Reply-To: *dev@glassfish.dev.java.net
>>
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> The GlassFish admin console team has been working hard on ways to
>> simplify our development, while at the same time attempting to improve
>> the experience of using the console. We have created a prototype which
>> shows a couple different designs we are considering... we'd like your
>> feedback on what you think of it. Here's how you can help:
>>
>> * Try the working prototype at: http://63.227.208.233:9999/admingui/
>> * Respond to this email or to my blog that I am about to write
>> about this (http://blogs.sun.com/paulsen). I think Jason and
>> Anissa will probably write too (http://blogs.steeplesoft.com/ or
>> http://blogs.sun.com/anilam/).
>>
>> Here are some things we are particularly interested in feedback on:
>>
>> * Do you like/dislike the menus?
>> * Do you like/dislike the tree?
>> * Do you like/dislike the tagging feature?
>>
>> Of course all other comments are also welcome (what's missing? what do
>> you really like? what do you dislike? etc.). We know there are many
>> issues with this UI, it is an early prototype -- far from production
>> ready. Some major issues we're aware of:
>>
>> * Many broken button clicks (particularly posts that don't do a
>> redirect)
>> * Performance -- it's not good right now, it will be MUCH better
>> when it's not a prototype (note: it also doesn't help that this
>> prototype is running on a small desktop machine over a
>> DSL-line... ;) ).
>> * Many pages are broken (some intentionally for the public demo,
>> others are simply not implemented)
>> * List of tagged pages can sometimes show duplicates
>> * Ajax for updating tags and other portions of the screen is not
>> implemented
>> * Breadcrumbs do not exist
>>
>> So... as you can see we're not looking for bugs, but rather general
>> feedback on the navigation and L&F. Thanks for taking a look!
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ken Paulsen (and the rest of the GF Admin Console Team)
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@glassfish.dev.java.net
>> For additional
>> commands, e-mail: dev-help@glassfish.dev.java.net
>>
>
> * Jason Lee *
> Senior Java Developer
> GlassFish Administration Console
>
> *Sun Microsystems, Inc.*
> Phone x31197/+1 405-343-1964
> Email jasondlee@sun.com
> Blog http://blogs.sun.com/jasondlee
> Blog http://blogs.steeplesoft.com
>
>

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