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Hello;

Wondering what is the default value for the webcontainer session timeout. Configuration -> Webcontainer -> Session Properties -> Session Properties.

Could not find any default value in any documentation. Where did i forget to search?

Thank you for any hints...

ivo

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Jan Luehe

On 01/28/09 03:20, glassfish@javadesktop.org wrote:
> Thank you for your answers.
>
> @Jan Luehe: is it true that changes in the default-web.xml do not affect already deployed applications? That means that changing this value would mean that all applications must be redeployed? This would not be acceptable...

Agreed, which is why we filed:

https://glassfish.dev.java.net/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3844
("Treat default-web.xml as runtime instead of a deploytime option")

which has been fixed in GlassFish v2.1.

Jan

> possible for future releases that the session timeout can be set in the configuration/asadmin interface?
>
>
>
> Thank you...
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Kedar Mhaswade

Jan,

Is the default session-timeout set in GlassFish source code in our case?

Regards,
Kedar

Jan Luehe wrote:
> Hi June,
>
> On 01/27/09 10:10, June.Parks@Sun.COM wrote:
>> We don't document web.xml in the app server docs because it's
>> Java-EE-generic and not app-server-specific. I mention the web.xml
>> default only because the sun-web.xml default overrides it.
> I agree that we normally do not have to document web.xml defaults,
> since they are Java-EE-generic in most cases.
>
> However, session-timeout is an exception. The web.xml schema describes
> it as follows:
>
> If the timeout is 0 or less, the container ensures
> the default behaviour of sessions is never to time
> out. If this element is not specified, the container
> must set its default timeout period.
>
> So in the case of session-timeout, the default is app-server specific,
> which is why I think we should document it.
>
>
> Jan
>
>>
>> June
>>
>> On 01/27/09 10:04, Jan Luehe wrote:
>>> On 01/26/09 06:24, glassfish@javadesktop.org wrote:
>>>> Thank you, Jan;
>>>>
>>>> But how/where is this configured/described? Say if i want to set it
>>>> to 60 minutes to all webappliations deployed, how to do that?
>>>
>>> The default session timeout (30 minutes) is documented in the GlassFish
>>> Developer Guide, see
>>> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/820-4502/beaxr?l=en&a=view
>>>
>>> Currently, it is documented "indirectly", via the "timeoutSeconds"
>>> session property in sun-web.xml. I could not find any documentation of
>>> the default in web.xml, but I may not have looked in
>>> all places. Cc'ing June.
>>>
>>> If you wanted to change the default session timeout to 60 minutes and
>>> have
>>> it take effect for all webapps, I suggest you add a session-config
>>> element to
>>> the domain's default-web.xml, as follows:
>>>
>>>
>>> 60
>>>

>>>
>>> Let me know if you have any questions about this approach.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jan
>>>
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Kedar,

On 01/27/09 10:47, Kedar Mhaswade wrote:
> Jan,
>
> Is the default session-timeout set in GlassFish source code in our case?

Yes, in com.sun.enterprise.web.BasePersistenceStrategyBuilder:

protected final int DEFAULT_SESSION_TIMEOUT = 1800; // 30 minute

Thanks,

Jan

>
> Regards,
> Kedar
>
> Jan Luehe wrote:
>> Hi June,
>>
>> On 01/27/09 10:10, June.Parks@Sun.COM wrote:
>>> We don't document web.xml in the app server docs because it's
>>> Java-EE-generic and not app-server-specific. I mention the web.xml
>>> default only because the sun-web.xml default overrides it.
>> I agree that we normally do not have to document web.xml defaults,
>> since they are Java-EE-generic in most cases.
>>
>> However, session-timeout is an exception. The web.xml schema describes
>> it as follows:
>>
>> If the timeout is 0 or less, the container ensures
>> the default behaviour of sessions is never to time
>> out. If this element is not specified, the container
>> must set its default timeout period.
>>
>> So in the case of session-timeout, the default is app-server specific,
>> which is why I think we should document it.
>>
>>
>> Jan
>>
>>>
>>> June
>>>
>>> On 01/27/09 10:04, Jan Luehe wrote:
>>>> On 01/26/09 06:24, glassfish@javadesktop.org wrote:
>>>>> Thank you, Jan;
>>>>>
>>>>> But how/where is this configured/described? Say if i want to set
>>>>> it to 60 minutes to all webappliations deployed, how to do that?
>>>>
>>>> The default session timeout (30 minutes) is documented in the
>>>> GlassFish
>>>> Developer Guide, see
>>>> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/820-4502/beaxr?l=en&a=view
>>>>
>>>> Currently, it is documented "indirectly", via the "timeoutSeconds"
>>>> session property in sun-web.xml. I could not find any documentation of
>>>> the default in web.xml, but I may not have looked in
>>>> all places. Cc'ing June.
>>>>
>>>> If you wanted to change the default session timeout to 60 minutes
>>>> and have
>>>> it take effect for all webapps, I suggest you add a session-config
>>>> element to
>>>> the domain's default-web.xml, as follows:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 60
>>>>

>>>>
>>>> Let me know if you have any questions about this approach.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Jan
>>>>
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Thank you for your answers.

@Jan Luehe: is it true that changes in the default-web.xml do not affect already deployed applications? That means that changing this value would mean that all applications must be redeployed?

Thank you...

Ivo

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>
> @Jan Luehe: is it true that changes in the
> default-web.xml do not affect already deployed
> applications? That means that changing this value
> would mean that all applications must be redeployed?
>

There was a bug on this which got fixed in 9.1.1/v2.1 (b61):
https://glassfish.dev.java.net/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3844

So if you use an earlier version, you have to redeploy the application to take advantage of the new contents in default-web.xml. But if you use a later build where the bug was fixed, redeployment will not be necessary.

mareks
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You can configure session timeout per web-application - put this in Your app's web.xml:



30

which sets 30 minute session timeout.

/mareks

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Thank you, i knew that the session-timeout can be set in descriptor and even in java code. but if none is set, what session-timeout will apply? what is the default value?

thank you...

ivo

Jan Luehe

On 01/23/09 06:06, glassfish@javadesktop.org wrote:
> Thank you, i knew that the session-timeout can be set in descriptor and even in java code. but if none is set, what session-timeout will apply? what is the default value?
>
> thank you...
>

The default timeout for HTTP sessions is 30 minutes.

Jan

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Thank you, Jan;

But how/where is this configured/described? Say if i want to set it to 60 minutes to all webappliations deployed, how to do that?

Ivo

Jan Luehe

On 01/26/09 06:24, glassfish@javadesktop.org wrote:
> Thank you, Jan;
>
> But how/where is this configured/described? Say if i want to set it to 60 minutes to all webappliations deployed, how to do that?
>

The default session timeout (30 minutes) is documented in the GlassFish
Developer Guide, see
http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/820-4502/beaxr?l=en&a=view

Currently, it is documented "indirectly", via the "timeoutSeconds"
session property in sun-web.xml. I could not find any documentation of
the default in web.xml, but I may not have looked in
all places. Cc'ing June.

If you wanted to change the default session timeout to 60 minutes and have
it take effect for all webapps, I suggest you add a session-config
element to
the domain's default-web.xml, as follows:


60

Let me know if you have any questions about this approach.

Thanks,

Jan

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June.Parks@Sun.COM

We don't document web.xml in the app server docs because it's
Java-EE-generic and not app-server-specific. I mention the web.xml
default only because the sun-web.xml default overrides it.

June

On 01/27/09 10:04, Jan Luehe wrote:
> On 01/26/09 06:24, glassfish@javadesktop.org wrote:
>> Thank you, Jan;
>>
>> But how/where is this configured/described? Say if i want to set it
>> to 60 minutes to all webappliations deployed, how to do that?
>
> The default session timeout (30 minutes) is documented in the GlassFish
> Developer Guide, see
> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/820-4502/beaxr?l=en&a=view
>
> Currently, it is documented "indirectly", via the "timeoutSeconds"
> session property in sun-web.xml. I could not find any documentation of
> the default in web.xml, but I may not have looked in
> all places. Cc'ing June.
>
> If you wanted to change the default session timeout to 60 minutes and
> have
> it take effect for all webapps, I suggest you add a session-config
> element to
> the domain's default-web.xml, as follows:
>
>
> 60
>

>
> Let me know if you have any questions about this approach.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jan
>
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Jan Luehe

Hi June,

On 01/27/09 10:10, June.Parks@Sun.COM wrote:
> We don't document web.xml in the app server docs because it's
> Java-EE-generic and not app-server-specific. I mention the web.xml
> default only because the sun-web.xml default overrides it.
I agree that we normally do not have to document web.xml defaults,
since they are Java-EE-generic in most cases.

However, session-timeout is an exception. The web.xml schema describes
it as follows:

If the timeout is 0 or less, the container ensures
the default behaviour of sessions is never to time
out. If this element is not specified, the container
must set its default timeout period.

So in the case of session-timeout, the default is app-server specific,
which is why I think we should document it.

Jan

>
> June
>
> On 01/27/09 10:04, Jan Luehe wrote:
>> On 01/26/09 06:24, glassfish@javadesktop.org wrote:
>>> Thank you, Jan;
>>>
>>> But how/where is this configured/described? Say if i want to set it
>>> to 60 minutes to all webappliations deployed, how to do that?
>>
>> The default session timeout (30 minutes) is documented in the GlassFish
>> Developer Guide, see
>> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/820-4502/beaxr?l=en&a=view
>>
>> Currently, it is documented "indirectly", via the "timeoutSeconds"
>> session property in sun-web.xml. I could not find any documentation of
>> the default in web.xml, but I may not have looked in
>> all places. Cc'ing June.
>>
>> If you wanted to change the default session timeout to 60 minutes and
>> have
>> it take effect for all webapps, I suggest you add a session-config
>> element to
>> the domain's default-web.xml, as follows:
>>
>>
>> 60
>>

>>
>> Let me know if you have any questions about this approach.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jan
>>
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June.Parks@Sun.COM

On 01/27/09 10:23, Jan Luehe wrote:
> Hi June,
>
> On 01/27/09 10:10, June.Parks@Sun.COM wrote:
>> We don't document web.xml in the app server docs because it's
>> Java-EE-generic and not app-server-specific. I mention the web.xml
>> default only because the sun-web.xml default overrides it.
> I agree that we normally do not have to document web.xml defaults,
> since they are Java-EE-generic in most cases.
>
> However, session-timeout is an exception. The web.xml schema describes
> it as follows:
>
> If the timeout is 0 or less, the container ensures
> the default behaviour of sessions is never to time
> out. If this element is not specified, the container
> must set its default timeout period.
>
> So in the case of session-timeout, the default is app-server specific,
> which is why I think we should document it.
So if the web.xml session-timeout is not specified, the App Server sets
it. If the web.xml session-timeout is set but the sun-web.xml session
timeout is not set, the web.xml session-timeout applies. If both
web.xml and sun-web.xml session-timeout values are set, the latter
overrides the former. Wow, that's convoluted.

I'm not sure I can document the web.xml session-timeout as such, but I
can expand the sun-web.xml session-timeout explanation and make sure
there is a good index entry or two for the web.xml session-timeout.

June
>
>
> Jan
>
>>
>> June
>>
>> On 01/27/09 10:04, Jan Luehe wrote:
>>> On 01/26/09 06:24, glassfish@javadesktop.org wrote:
>>>> Thank you, Jan;
>>>>
>>>> But how/where is this configured/described? Say if i want to set it
>>>> to 60 minutes to all webappliations deployed, how to do that?
>>>
>>> The default session timeout (30 minutes) is documented in the GlassFish
>>> Developer Guide, see
>>> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/820-4502/beaxr?l=en&a=view
>>>
>>> Currently, it is documented "indirectly", via the "timeoutSeconds"
>>> session property in sun-web.xml. I could not find any documentation of
>>> the default in web.xml, but I may not have looked in
>>> all places. Cc'ing June.
>>>
>>> If you wanted to change the default session timeout to 60 minutes
>>> and have
>>> it take effect for all webapps, I suggest you add a session-config
>>> element to
>>> the domain's default-web.xml, as follows:
>>>
>>>
>>> 60
>>>

>>>
>>> Let me know if you have any questions about this approach.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jan
>>>
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Jan Luehe

Hi June,

On 01/27/09 10:33, June.Parks@Sun.COM wrote:
> On 01/27/09 10:23, Jan Luehe wrote:
>> Hi June,
>>
>> On 01/27/09 10:10, June.Parks@Sun.COM wrote:
>>> We don't document web.xml in the app server docs because it's
>>> Java-EE-generic and not app-server-specific. I mention the web.xml
>>> default only because the sun-web.xml default overrides it.
>> I agree that we normally do not have to document web.xml defaults,
>> since they are Java-EE-generic in most cases.
>>
>> However, session-timeout is an exception. The web.xml schema describes
>> it as follows:
>>
>> If the timeout is 0 or less, the container ensures
>> the default behaviour of sessions is never to time
>> out. If this element is not specified, the container
>> must set its default timeout period.
>>
>> So in the case of session-timeout, the default is app-server specific,
>> which is why I think we should document it.
> So if the web.xml session-timeout is not specified, the App Server
> sets it.
Yes.
> If the web.xml session-timeout is set but the sun-web.xml session
> timeout is not set, the web.xml session-timeout applies.

Correct.

> If both web.xml and sun-web.xml session-timeout values are set, the
> latter overrides the former. Wow, that's convoluted.

Actually, if both are specified, the web.xml takes precedence (I just
checked the code, and
confirmed that this is also how it's documented in the Deployment Guide).

I never understood the motivation for specifying the session timeout in
2 places. I would have thought
that specifying it in web.xml should be sufficient. May only explanation
would be that earlier
versions of web.xml may not have provided any configuration support for
session timeout, which
is why it was added to sun-web.xml. When it was finally added to
web.xml, support for it in
sun-web.xml had to be preserved for backward compatibility reasons.
What's further complicating
the matter is that the timeout in sun-web.xml is specified in seconds,
whereas the one in web.xml
is specified in minutes.

>
> I'm not sure I can document the web.xml session-timeout as such, but I
> can expand the sun-web.xml session-timeout explanation and make sure
> there is a good index entry or two for the web.xml session-timeout.

Great! Thanks!

I think you could rephrase what you currently have:

If neither session-timeout nor timeoutSeconds is specified, the
timeoutSeconds default is used.

to read:

If neither session-timeout nor timeoutSeconds is specified, the
session-timeout default (30 minutes),
which is the same as the timeoutSeconds default, is used.

Jan

>
> June
>>
>>
>> Jan
>>
>>>
>>> June
>>>
>>> On 01/27/09 10:04, Jan Luehe wrote:
>>>> On 01/26/09 06:24, glassfish@javadesktop.org wrote:
>>>>> Thank you, Jan;
>>>>>
>>>>> But how/where is this configured/described? Say if i want to set
>>>>> it to 60 minutes to all webappliations deployed, how to do that?
>>>>
>>>> The default session timeout (30 minutes) is documented in the
>>>> GlassFish
>>>> Developer Guide, see
>>>> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/820-4502/beaxr?l=en&a=view
>>>>
>>>> Currently, it is documented "indirectly", via the "timeoutSeconds"
>>>> session property in sun-web.xml. I could not find any documentation of
>>>> the default in web.xml, but I may not have looked in
>>>> all places. Cc'ing June.
>>>>
>>>> If you wanted to change the default session timeout to 60 minutes
>>>> and have
>>>> it take effect for all webapps, I suggest you add a session-config
>>>> element to
>>>> the domain's default-web.xml, as follows:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 60
>>>>

>>>>
>>>> Let me know if you have any questions about this approach.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Jan
>>>>
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