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Java is dead...

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demonduck
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I just downloaded Flash 10. It installed in less than a minute into my FF2 browser.
No pimping for Yahoo. No annoying tray icons. No need to configure the JVM for
more memory. No grotesque orange Java splash screen. None of the problems of Java or the new plugin have and it runs great in my FF2 browser.

Java had media on the web in the palm of their hand in 2000. By bad design decision
after bad design decision, Java is now nearly a universal pariah. The panoramic
photograpy community universally hates Java and loves Flash.

And when people like me complain about the bone headed design decisions, then we're
being insulting.

10 years of my life learning how to be a better Java programmer just to earn the label of
"Bad Attitude" because I have to be an apologist for all the stupid design decisions and
when I complain to the only people who can fix the problems I face every day, I'm
insulting.

Nice work guys.

The thing is, your job is on the line too and you just don't see the train coming. How
long is your Java development job going to last if Java is more and more avoided.

But I'm just being insulting now aren't I?

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kirillcool
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> None of the problems of Java or the new plugin have
> and it runs great in my FF2 browser.

Who knew? There are loud complaints on the other side as well :)

http://www.jroller.com/melix/entry/adobe_releases_a_buggy_flash

tdanecito
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Well Interesting feedback.

Although I agree about missed opportunities and improvements to deployment you would find me in disagreement.

As far as dead I would say from a single voice hopefully not but there is not alot of innovation shown on this community but I suspect the brain drain to google did not help and the some of the support waned from time to time.

BUT I can personally tell you inovation and interest is not dead. I look at my download logs and every day from all over the world I see from universities to government agencies to individuals looking for something different that flash can not do and never will download my Rich Java Client (it uses web services on the back end). It took years to move forward quietly in areas Sun did not pursue such as multimedia (streaming video, video capture ect) , swing and lightweight component integration relaible browser integration ect.

So you are right and wrong at the same time but if you really push hard on something miracles can happen.

By the way I am seeing more jre 1.6.0_07 being used from my referer web logs maybe because I changed my html to download 1.6.0_0x it via javadeploy.js. I look forward to seeing 1.6.0_10 fcs soon (hint hint winter is almost here).

Tony Anecito
Founder,
MyUniPortal
http://www.myuniportal.com

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kirillcool
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> But I'm just being insulting now aren't I?

Or perhaps just crossing into being ignored. If Java is dead, isn't it time to move to greener pastures?