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HDMV authoring sites

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mk1
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Hi,

and sorry if this is off-topic, but I'd like to know if there are any HDMV authoring sites/forums up. We're currently setting up our first BD-J and HDMV projects and I'm sure we'll be tacking with problems related to both formats.

Thanks.

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billf
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HDMV is documented in part 3.1 of the BD-ROM specification. It's at the level of assembly language, so usually people write it with some kind of GUI-based tool that hides the HDMV bytecodes.

In the HD cookbook repository, there is a little program that converts the file that contains the HDMV bytecodes into an XML file and back again, but it just lists the bytecodes in hex. It's useful for writing tiny HDMV programs, like a topmenu title that launches a BD-J title.

I don't personally know of a discussion forum for HDMV authoring per se; I assume that most such discussions are in various customer forums for customers of the different HDMV authoring products.

Cheers,

Bill

ingvart
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Thank you both for your replies!

I successfully compiled index.jar, movieobject.jar and playlist.jar from the cookbook and nicely converted the corresponding HDMV files to xml files.

I haven't found a program to convert the clips themselves - i.e. "00001.clpi", which are also binary.

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[i]HDMV is documented in part 3.1 of the BD-ROM specification[/i]
Is this what one could obtain from blu-raydisc.info? I can't find a download on their site, and it seems like you might have to send an application and pay something between 1,500 and 15,000 USD for it. Am I wrong?

Thanks again!

Ingvar

chihiro_saito
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Hi Ingvar,

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HDMV is documented in part 3.1 of the BD-ROM specification
Is this what one could obtain from blu-raydisc.info? I can't find a download on their site, and it seems like you might have to send an application and pay something between 1,500 and 15,000 USD for it. Am I wrong?
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I believe CPA-light license (500 USD annual) should get you the spec. Yes, the spec is owned by BDA, and it is not free...

Chihiro

ingvart
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Seems like you have to have the FLLA license first, which is 15.000 USD, and then the 500 for the book is additional.
I don't think I should quote BDA's emails without their permission, but I did communicate with them.
Sure wish the specifications could be open as with lots of other good stuff out there!

So if you develop in BD-J, I have found you still have to have a authoring software to use your BDJ objects on a BD. Please let me know if I am wrong, though.

numberonesuperguy
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Ingvar, you'll definately need the 'Blu-ray Disc Read Only Format Part 3' book.
We got it, I think it was straight forward 500 dollars per year (rented I suppose).

With it I wrote an HDMV parser/compiler so that, in conjuction with a Scenarist Project file, I can inject script logic so you never need to edit a line of code within Scenarist. Although it sounds like you dont even have Scenarist (or BluePrint) so you wont know how painful that can be. But its so nice scripting a BD project from just an XML and a 'scripts' file!

I dont know of any other tools like it, so I was thinking of selling it if its usable by others...?

chris_angelli
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Hi mk1,

I'm sorry you've had a difficult time getting started using Scenarist HDMV. Our support staff pride themselves on their expert knowledge of the Blu Ray spec and our tools. They are available to provide full training and support for all of our customers. Please contact me directly so that I can get you in contact with the help you require.

Sincerly,

Chris Angelli
chris_angelli@sonic.com
Senior Product Manager - Scenarist BD
Sonic Solutions

breckenridge
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You may wish to try a Blu-ray/HDMV *.ts stream in 0.9.0-svn - nightlies builds can be found from here. nightlies.videolan.org/

mk1
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Thanks to everyone for their replies. I'm sure this should get us started.

ingvart
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I am into developing an application which should create HDMV BDs (without BD-J) but have a hard time finding documentation on HDMV.

I have the HD CookBook 3 feet from me including other BD authoring books. They all briefly describe what HDMV and/or BDMV is, but straight away go on with BD-J and seems to assume one has a software to use BD-J objects and components with in order to line it up nicely on a advanced BDMV setup.

The HDMV files related on a BD are all binary, and it's hard to sit with a hex editor and figure everything out. Google usually does an excellent job in digging out all kinds of information, but I am having a hard time on this one.
Sure appreciate any clues to get me going on a track!

Ingvar Tjostheim

(sending Endre Stolsvik a norwegian poke from Canada)

elbob
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do you mean you want to create a BD without any BD software?
that might be hard.
but I have at least one hint for you.

Try tsmuxer. It's great tool to create BDs from simple video files.

I don't see a way to manually create menus though.

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Maybe have a look bd-author.com.
I'm working on that to create a knowledge base and maybe community.
contact me if you want to join or need more info.

Endre Stølsvik

bd-j-dev@mobileandembedded.org wrote:
> Hi,
>
> and sorry if this is off-topic, but I'd like to know if there are any HDMV authoring sites/forums up. We're currently setting up our first BD-J and HDMV projects and I'm sure we'll be tacking with problems related to both formats.
>

There is this forum that a Chris Hatton tried to set up. It didn't gain
much traction, though, and he apparently just days ago scrapped the
entire installation and reinstalled his board software due to spam.

But I like some diversity, so here's the link of "bdjforum":
http://www.bdjforum.com/

(I also like that board software much better than the stuff java.net
provides!)

Endre.

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agrando
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Hi mk1, welcome!

You've already found one of the most useful resources for BD-J authoring in this forum.

As for sites about HDMV, I'd start out at https://hdcookbook.dev.java.net/ . It's the site for the HD Cookbook book, but it links to a few very helpful resources.
Unfortunately, there's still a limited amount of info in the wild with regards to Blu-ray authoring.

Oh, If you're using Scenarist HDMV, Sonic has a few useful tutorials up on authoring HDMV discs in Scenarist. Check their Support->Downloads page.

mk1
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Hi,

and thanks for all the info.

We're indeed using Scenarist and I've gone through the Sonic site. There's a bunch of BD-J tutorials which I'm sure will become handy, but right now I'm looking for some forum where I could discuss aspects of HDMV authoring. The Sonic support system is not really useful as it seems even they don't seem to know their own software too well.

I guess I'll have to keep on looking and learning.

mihailm
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Hi mk1,

Since you are a Sonic Scenarist user you might be a member of the HDAA. If so you can allways check the Sonic HDAA forum on http://hdaa.sonic.com/forum/.