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Simple suggestion for increasing the use of Java on the desktop

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cowwoc
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http://www.java.com/js/deployJava.js allows us to detect the client's JRE version with high precision.

Google Analytics reports which Flash version a client has with high detail but it does a poor job reporting Java versions.

Google could probably wrap http://www.java.com/js/deployJava.js into Analytics in under an hour and this would have a big positive impact for the Java community. The first step for getting developers to use Java for desktop applications is awareness. Currently the assumption is that 90% of clients have Flash installed but almost no clients have Java. Imagine would what happen if this figure turns out to be larger than expected?

Could someone from Sun's team get in touch with Google and make this happen?

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cowwoc
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Two months have passed. Has anything changed on your end? I just checked Google Analytics and they still don't use deployJava.js :(

cowwoc
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I found a way to track Java Versions using Google Analytics: http://forums.java.net/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=53140

cowwoc
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I just noticed that Adobe has an entire section dedicated to answering this question for Flash:

http://www.adobe.com/products/player_census/flashplayer/version_penetrat...

Ideally we want to end up with similar statistics hosted on Sun's Java site.

nlorain
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Hi Cowoc

Good suggestion with regards to Google Analytics, we'll look into it

We also have an effort under way to make available a number of stats with regards to Java usage and installed base, so things will get more exciting as we get closer to the 6uN final release.

Nicolas

cowwoc
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Looks like .NET users are wondering the same thing about their own platform: http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?biz.5.592012

Is there an application vendor (ideally one targeting a non-technical domain) that can comment on the market penetration of Java for its customers? It should be possible for them to use deployJava.js to get us some rough numbers.

tdanecito
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Hi Cowwoc,

My portal uses deployJava.js since it became avaialble. How do I find out what you are talking about regarding numbers.

Thanks,
-Tony

cowwoc
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This is all I did so far on my end:

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The problem is that this information gets printed out on the client-end instead of being sent to the server for long-term logging. Ideally what you want is to use deployJava.js to collection all possible information it provides (not just the browser and JRE version), then get the script to hit a server page (i.e. JSP) with this information and that page logs the information to disk or database. Then after a month you either post your raw data up here or some condensed report of what you found. Also, be sure to log this information on your website's main page to ensure you get a good representation of general traffic. Ideally we want to analyze what general non-technical users are like.