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To Sun:

Are we allowed to resign and repackage the imageio tools binary
distribution in order to work properly with webstart (all jars must
be signed by the same key)?

If not, how are we supposed to get the tools installed legally and
efficiently ?

Thanks.
Robert Engels

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robert engels

I would think that should be the case as well, but my reading of the
license does not allow me to infer that.

Sun has been notably quiet on his subject. Hopefully, when Brian
returns we will have a definitive answer.

On May 29, 2007, at 8:28 AM, Nidel, Mike wrote:

> There are other third-party libraries that are distributed in
> signed form*, for which you have to perform the same
> unpack-repack-resign to get them to work in a signed WebStart
> application. Without reading the license, I'd say this kind
> of thing does not violate the spirit of the agreement. Also,
> for intranet deployments, it may not be feasible to point the
> client to a downloadable installer from Sun. So if including
> the Jars with your installed standalone application is permitted,
> then including them in resigned form should also be.
>
> Let's try to keep these discussions civil. There is no need for
> personal attacks, we are not 12 years old. That's one of the
> best things about this discussion list is the reasonable nature
> of the responders, at least for the years I've been a member.
> Brian, James and the others go to great lengths to answer a lot
> of obvious or repeat questions as civilly as possible, and we
> should follow suit.
>
> Sorry to preach. It should just be common sense.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike
>
>
> * Apache commons jars, activation.jar, mail.jar etc.
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: robert engels [mailto:rengels@ix.netcom.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 12:11 AM
>> To: interest@jai-imageio.dev.java.net
>> Subject: Re: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution
>>
>> If you use an component extension, you still need to package
>> the native code in a jar, and sign it.
>>
>> If you use the auto-installer with web-start, you get the
>> dialog, windows popping up, etc. because that is how the
>> ImageIO installer works - certainly not seamless. The plus
>> side is that there will only be a single copy installed.
>> Another downside is that the installer will only allow for a
>> single version of the extension since all jars are installed
>> in lib/ext in the JRE.
>>
>> It also does not work since there are no pure Java download
>> bundles (to be used with OSX). You need to take the jars from
>> one of the other distributions, which means you are also
>> creating a different deployment than what Sun provides.
>>
>> We have technically solved the issue long ago. I was
>> inquiring as to the legality of what we are doing. And if it
>> is no correct, is there a similar technical solution that
>> works that adheres to the license.
>>
>> On May 25, 2007, at 9:39 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
>>
>>>> Your reply is not even close to being correct, or on
>> point. What may
>>>> of not been clear is that there is no JNLP distribution
>> for imageio
>>>> tools provided by Sun- which means we must repackage in order to
>>>> provide it.
>>>
>>> Robert,
>>>
>>> at first, my reply was correct - this is standard way to use
>>> extensions.
>>> at-second, SUN provides auto-install bundle for JAI-Image I/O Tools
>>> (packed in jar), so you don't have to repack them.
>>> http://download.java.net/media/jai-imageio/builds/release/1.1/
>>> INSTALL-jai_imageio.html#AutoInstall
>>>
>>> I hope next time you don't abuse people which trying to help you.
>>>
>>> Andrey
>>>
>>>
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Andrey Kuznetsov

> Your reply is not even close to being correct, or on point. What may of
> not been clear is that there is no JNLP distribution for imageio tools
> provided by Sun- which means we must repackage in order to provide it.

Robert,

at first, my reply was correct - this is standard way to use extensions.
at-second, SUN provides auto-install bundle for JAI-Image I/O Tools (packed
in jar), so you don't have to repack them.
http://download.java.net/media/jai-imageio/builds/release/1.1/INSTALL-ja...

I hope next time you don't abuse people which trying to help you.

Andrey

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robert engels

If you use an component extension, you still need to package the
native code in a jar, and sign it.

If you use the auto-installer with web-start, you get the dialog,
windows popping up, etc. because that is how the ImageIO installer
works - certainly not seamless. The plus side is that there will only
be a single copy installed. Another downside is that the installer
will only allow for a single version of the extension since all jars
are installed in lib/ext in the JRE.

It also does not work since there are no pure Java download bundles
(to be used with OSX). You need to take the jars from one of the
other distributions, which means you are also creating a different
deployment than what Sun provides.

We have technically solved the issue long ago. I was inquiring as to
the legality of what we are doing. And if it is no correct, is there
a similar technical solution that works that adheres to the license.

On May 25, 2007, at 9:39 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:

>> Your reply is not even close to being correct, or on point. What
>> may of not been clear is that there is no JNLP distribution for
>> imageio tools provided by Sun- which means we must repackage in
>> order to provide it.
>
> Robert,
>
> at first, my reply was correct - this is standard way to use
> extensions.
> at-second, SUN provides auto-install bundle for JAI-Image I/O Tools
> (packed in jar), so you don't have to repack them.
> http://download.java.net/media/jai-imageio/builds/release/1.1/
> INSTALL-jai_imageio.html#AutoInstall
>
> I hope next time you don't abuse people which trying to help you.
>
> Andrey
>
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Nidel, Mike

There are other third-party libraries that are distributed in
signed form*, for which you have to perform the same
unpack-repack-resign to get them to work in a signed WebStart
application. Without reading the license, I'd say this kind
of thing does not violate the spirit of the agreement. Also,
for intranet deployments, it may not be feasible to point the
client to a downloadable installer from Sun. So if including
the Jars with your installed standalone application is permitted,
then including them in resigned form should also be.

Let's try to keep these discussions civil. There is no need for
personal attacks, we are not 12 years old. That's one of the
best things about this discussion list is the reasonable nature
of the responders, at least for the years I've been a member.
Brian, James and the others go to great lengths to answer a lot
of obvious or repeat questions as civilly as possible, and we
should follow suit.

Sorry to preach. It should just be common sense.

Regards,

Mike

* Apache commons jars, activation.jar, mail.jar etc.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: robert engels [mailto:rengels@ix.netcom.com]
> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 12:11 AM
> To: interest@jai-imageio.dev.java.net
> Subject: Re: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution
>
> If you use an component extension, you still need to package
> the native code in a jar, and sign it.
>
> If you use the auto-installer with web-start, you get the
> dialog, windows popping up, etc. because that is how the
> ImageIO installer works - certainly not seamless. The plus
> side is that there will only be a single copy installed.
> Another downside is that the installer will only allow for a
> single version of the extension since all jars are installed
> in lib/ext in the JRE.
>
> It also does not work since there are no pure Java download
> bundles (to be used with OSX). You need to take the jars from
> one of the other distributions, which means you are also
> creating a different deployment than what Sun provides.
>
> We have technically solved the issue long ago. I was
> inquiring as to the legality of what we are doing. And if it
> is no correct, is there a similar technical solution that
> works that adheres to the license.
>
> On May 25, 2007, at 9:39 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
>
> >> Your reply is not even close to being correct, or on
> point. What may
> >> of not been clear is that there is no JNLP distribution
> for imageio
> >> tools provided by Sun- which means we must repackage in order to
> >> provide it.
> >
> > Robert,
> >
> > at first, my reply was correct - this is standard way to use
> > extensions.
> > at-second, SUN provides auto-install bundle for JAI-Image I/O Tools
> > (packed in jar), so you don't have to repack them.
> > http://download.java.net/media/jai-imageio/builds/release/1.1/
> > INSTALL-jai_imageio.html#AutoInstall
> >
> > I hope next time you don't abuse people which trying to help you.
> >
> > Andrey
> >
> >
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robert engels

I do not think you are reading the license correctly. The
distribution license with the binary distribution contains the
following:

You may reproduce and distribute the portions of Software identified
below ("each a Redistributable")

"(a) You distribute the Redistributable complete and unmodified and
only bundled as part of Your applets and applications ("Programs"),"

and

"(c) You do not remove or alter any proprietary legends or notices
contained in or on the Redistributable."

If you just distribute the resigned jars, and jar the native libs,
then you are not distributing the "complete" Redistributable,
because you are also not distributing the installer (which would also
force the client to agree to the license agreement during install).

This is why I am hoping to hear from Sun directly regarding this.

On May 29, 2007, at 8:28 AM, Nidel, Mike wrote:

> There are other third-party libraries that are distributed in
> signed form*, for which you have to perform the same
> unpack-repack-resign to get them to work in a signed WebStart
> application. Without reading the license, I'd say this kind
> of thing does not violate the spirit of the agreement. Also,
> for intranet deployments, it may not be feasible to point the
> client to a downloadable installer from Sun. So if including
> the Jars with your installed standalone application is permitted,
> then including them in resigned form should also be.
>
> Let's try to keep these discussions civil. There is no need for
> personal attacks, we are not 12 years old. That's one of the
> best things about this discussion list is the reasonable nature
> of the responders, at least for the years I've been a member.
> Brian, James and the others go to great lengths to answer a lot
> of obvious or repeat questions as civilly as possible, and we
> should follow suit.
>
> Sorry to preach. It should just be common sense.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike
>
>
> * Apache commons jars, activation.jar, mail.jar etc.
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: robert engels [mailto:rengels@ix.netcom.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 12:11 AM
>> To: interest@jai-imageio.dev.java.net
>> Subject: Re: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution
>>
>> If you use an component extension, you still need to package
>> the native code in a jar, and sign it.
>>
>> If you use the auto-installer with web-start, you get the
>> dialog, windows popping up, etc. because that is how the
>> ImageIO installer works - certainly not seamless. The plus
>> side is that there will only be a single copy installed.
>> Another downside is that the installer will only allow for a
>> single version of the extension since all jars are installed
>> in lib/ext in the JRE.
>>
>> It also does not work since there are no pure Java download
>> bundles (to be used with OSX). You need to take the jars from
>> one of the other distributions, which means you are also
>> creating a different deployment than what Sun provides.
>>
>> We have technically solved the issue long ago. I was
>> inquiring as to the legality of what we are doing. And if it
>> is no correct, is there a similar technical solution that
>> works that adheres to the license.
>>
>> On May 25, 2007, at 9:39 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
>>
>>>> Your reply is not even close to being correct, or on
>> point. What may
>>>> of not been clear is that there is no JNLP distribution
>> for imageio
>>>> tools provided by Sun- which means we must repackage in order to
>>>> provide it.
>>>
>>> Robert,
>>>
>>> at first, my reply was correct - this is standard way to use
>>> extensions.
>>> at-second, SUN provides auto-install bundle for JAI-Image I/O Tools
>>> (packed in jar), so you don't have to repack them.
>>> http://download.java.net/media/jai-imageio/builds/release/1.1/
>>> INSTALL-jai_imageio.html#AutoInstall
>>>
>>> I hope next time you don't abuse people which trying to help you.
>>>
>>> Andrey
>>>
>>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail:
>> interest-unsubscribe@jai-imageio.dev.java.net
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>>> imageio.dev.java.net
>>>
>>
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Nidel, Mike

I guess it depends what "unmodified" means. And whether the digital
signature counts as a "legend or notice".

We do have our users agree to the JAI ImageIO license when they install
our products -- that was part of the solution our lawyers came up with.

Brian?

________________________________

From: robert engels [mailto:rengels@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 11:23 AM
To: interest@jai-imageio.dev.java.net
Subject: Re: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution

I do not think you are reading the license correctly. The
distribution license with the binary distribution contains the
following:

You may reproduce and distribute the portions of Software
identified below ("each a Redistributable")

"(a) You distribute the Redistributable complete and unmodified
and only bundled as part of Your applets and applications ("Programs"),"

and

"(c) You do not remove or alter any proprietary legends or
notices contained in or on the Redistributable."

If you just distribute the resigned jars, and jar the native
libs, then you are not distributing the "complete" Redistributable,
because you are also not distributing the installer (which would
also force the client to agree to the license agreement during install).

This is why I am hoping to hear from Sun directly regarding
this.

On May 29, 2007, at 8:28 AM, Nidel, Mike wrote:

There are other third-party libraries that are
distributed in
signed form*, for which you have to perform the same
unpack-repack-resign to get them to work in a signed
WebStart
application. Without reading the license, I'd say this
kind
of thing does not violate the spirit of the agreement.
Also,
for intranet deployments, it may not be feasible to
point the
client to a downloadable installer from Sun. So if
including
the Jars with your installed standalone application is
permitted,
then including them in resigned form should also be.

Let's try to keep these discussions civil. There is no
need for
personal attacks, we are not 12 years old. That's one of
the
best things about this discussion list is the reasonable
nature
of the responders, at least for the years I've been a
member.
Brian, James and the others go to great lengths to
answer a lot
of obvious or repeat questions as civilly as possible,
and we
should follow suit.

Sorry to preach. It should just be common sense.

Regards,

Mike

* Apache commons jars, activation.jar, mail.jar etc.

-----Original Message-----
From: robert engels
[mailto:rengels@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 12:11 AM
To: interest@jai-imageio.dev.java.net
Subject: Re: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution

If you use an component extension, you still
need to package
the native code in a jar, and sign it.

If you use the auto-installer with web-start,
you get the
dialog, windows popping up, etc. because that is
how the
ImageIO installer works - certainly not
seamless. The plus
side is that there will only be a single copy
installed.
Another downside is that the installer will only
allow for a
single version of the extension since all jars
are installed
in lib/ext in the JRE.

It also does not work since there are no pure
Java download
bundles (to be used with OSX). You need to take
the jars from
one of the other distributions, which means you
are also
creating a different deployment than what Sun
provides.

We have technically solved the issue long ago. I
was
inquiring as to the legality of what we are
doing. And if it
is no correct, is there a similar technical
solution that
works that adheres to the license.

On May 25, 2007, at 9:39 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov
wrote:

Your reply is not even close to being
correct, or on

point. What may

of not been clear is that there is no
JNLP distribution

for imageio

tools provided by Sun- which means we
must repackage in order to
provide it.

Robert,

at first, my reply was correct - this is
standard way to use
extensions.
at-second, SUN provides auto-install
bundle for JAI-Image I/O Tools
(packed in jar), so you don't have to
repack them.

http://download.java.net/media/jai-imageio/builds/release/1.1/
INSTALL-jai_imageio.html#AutoInstall

I hope next time you don't abuse people
which trying to help you.

Andrey

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Brian Burkhalter

Mike,

Hi. I am trying to solicit a more definite answer from some colleagues here.
My *personal* take is that there should be no problem redistrbuting signed jar
and .so/.dll files as long as the files as input to the signer are unmodified
from their downloaded form and all the .so/.dll files are included.

Brian

On Thu, 31 May 2007, Nidel, Mike wrote:

> I guess it depends what "unmodified" means. And whether the digital
> signature counts as a "legend or notice".
>
> We do have our users agree to the JAI ImageIO license when they install
> our products -- that was part of the solution our lawyers came up with.
>
> Brian?
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: robert engels [mailto:rengels@ix.netcom.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 11:23 AM
> To: interest@jai-imageio.dev.java.net
> Subject: Re: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution
>
>
> I do not think you are reading the license correctly. The
> distribution license with the binary distribution contains the
> following:
>
> You may reproduce and distribute the portions of Software
> identified below ("each a Redistributable")
>
>
> "(a) You distribute the Redistributable complete and unmodified
> and only bundled as part of Your applets and applications ("Programs"),"
>
>
> and
>
>
> "(c) You do not remove or alter any proprietary legends or
> notices contained in or on the Redistributable."
>
>
>
>
> If you just distribute the resigned jars, and jar the native
> libs, then you are not distributing the "complete" Redistributable,
> because you are also not distributing the installer (which would
> also force the client to agree to the license agreement during install).
>
> This is why I am hoping to hear from Sun directly regarding
> this.
>
> On May 29, 2007, at 8:28 AM, Nidel, Mike wrote:
>
>
> There are other third-party libraries that are
> distributed in
> signed form*, for which you have to perform the same
> unpack-repack-resign to get them to work in a signed
> WebStart
> application. Without reading the license, I'd say this
> kind
> of thing does not violate the spirit of the agreement.
> Also,
> for intranet deployments, it may not be feasible to
> point the
> client to a downloadable installer from Sun. So if
> including
> the Jars with your installed standalone application is
> permitted,
> then including them in resigned form should also be.
>
> Let's try to keep these discussions civil. There is no
> need for
> personal attacks, we are not 12 years old. That's one of
> the
> best things about this discussion list is the reasonable
> nature
> of the responders, at least for the years I've been a
> member.
> Brian, James and the others go to great lengths to
> answer a lot
> of obvious or repeat questions as civilly as possible,
> and we
> should follow suit.
>
> Sorry to preach. It should just be common sense.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike
>
>
> * Apache commons jars, activation.jar, mail.jar etc.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: robert engels
> [mailto:rengels@ix.netcom.com]
> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 12:11 AM
> To: interest@jai-imageio.dev.java.net
> Subject: Re: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution
>
> If you use an component extension, you still
> need to package
> the native code in a jar, and sign it.
>
> If you use the auto-installer with web-start,
> you get the
> dialog, windows popping up, etc. because that is
> how the
> ImageIO installer works - certainly not
> seamless. The plus
> side is that there will only be a single copy
> installed.
> Another downside is that the installer will only
> allow for a
> single version of the extension since all jars
> are installed
> in lib/ext in the JRE.
>
> It also does not work since there are no pure
> Java download
> bundles (to be used with OSX). You need to take
> the jars from
> one of the other distributions, which means you
> are also
> creating a different deployment than what Sun
> provides.
>
> We have technically solved the issue long ago. I
> was
> inquiring as to the legality of what we are
> doing. And if it
> is no correct, is there a similar technical
> solution that
> works that adheres to the license.
>
> On May 25, 2007, at 9:39 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov
> wrote:
>
>
> Your reply is not even close to being
> correct, or on
>
> point. What may
>
> of not been clear is that there is no
> JNLP distribution
>
> for imageio
>
> tools provided by Sun- which means we
> must repackage in order to
> provide it.
>
>
> Robert,
>
> at first, my reply was correct - this is
> standard way to use
> extensions.
> at-second, SUN provides auto-install
> bundle for JAI-Image I/O Tools
> (packed in jar), so you don't have to
> repack them.
>
> http://download.java.net/media/jai-imageio/builds/release/1.1/
> INSTALL-jai_imageio.html#AutoInstall
>
> I hope next time you don't abuse people
> which trying to help you.
>
> Andrey
>
>
>
>
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Hello everyone. I am still awaiting clarification on this from those who should know. I apologize for the delay.

> Hi. I am trying to solicit a more definite answer
> from some colleagues here.
> My *personal* take is that there should be no problem
> redistrbuting signed jar
> and .so/.dll files as long as the files as input to
> the signer are unmodified
> from their downloaded form and all the .so/.dll files
> are included.

Andrey Kuznetsov

> Oliver never asked anything about "core".
I mentioned core just to make it more clear
that there are no fee for distributing imageio,
because BSD-Licensed things are rarely sold.

> Your reply is not even close to being correct, or on point.
Even if this is true, since you didn't paid me for it, please don't accuse
me.

I really don't want to answer all your charges.
I see this discussion as finished.

Andrey

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Marc Boscher

"(e) Service Provider Use. You may make Software functionality accessible
(but not by providing Software itself or through outsourcing services) to
your end users in an extranet deployment"

I believe this means you can make imageio "functionality" available through
your application (and distribute imageio as part of your application), but
you are not allowed to distribute imageio on its own without any enclosing
application. This is meant to prevent someone from distributing imageio
alone as a alternative source from Sun.

Marc

-----Original Message-----
From: O. Pfau [mailto:opu@gmx.de]
Sent: May 25, 2007 2:27 PM
To: interest@jai-imageio.dev.java.net
Subject: SPAM-LOW: AW: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution

Hi,

when I read the following in the licence text:

...
(d) Commercial Use. You may use Software internally for your own commercial
purposes.

(e) Service Provider Use. You may make Software functionality accessible
(but not by providing Software itself or through outsourcing services) to
your end users in an extranet deployment, but not to your affiliated
companies or to government agencies.
...

That means that I can not distribute the binaries to customers. Right ?

Oliver

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Andrey Kuznetsov [mailto:ak@imagero.com]
Gesendet: Freitag, 25. Mai 2007 20:10
An: interest@jai-imageio.dev.java.net
Betreff: Re: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution

Oliver,

I never heard that you have to pay for using/redistributing ImageIO
libraries.
If you look at http://jai-imageio.dev.java.net you may discover that
jai-imageio-core is licensed under BSD.

Here you can find license for binaries:
http://download.java.net/media/jai-imageio/builds/release/1.1/LICENSE-ja...
ageio.txt

Andrey

----- Original Message -----
From: "O. Pfau"
To:
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:47 PM
Subject: AW: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution

Hi,

what ist he pricing when I want to distribute the Image IO libraries without
modification to customers ?

Oliver

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
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Gesendet: Freitag, 25. Mai 2007 19:43
An: interest@jai-imageio.dev.java.net
Betreff: Re: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution

Robert,

What you need is to create separate jnlp file for every 3rd party jar and
link to it from your main jnlp file:

for example:




Andrey

----- Original Message -----
From: "robert engels"
To:
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:01 PM
Subject: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution

> To Sun:
>
> Are we allowed to resign and repackage the imageio tools binary
> distribution in order to work properly with webstart (all jars must be
> signed by the same key)?
>
> If not, how are we supposed to get the tools installed legally and
> efficiently ?
>
> Thanks.
> Robert Engels
>
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O. Pfau

I understood that the distribution is not allowed....only for own purposes
or as service via extranet.

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An: interest@jai-imageio.dev.java.net
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"(e) Service Provider Use. You may make Software functionality accessible
(but not by providing Software itself or through outsourcing services) to
your end users in an extranet deployment"

I believe this means you can make imageio "functionality" available through
your application (and distribute imageio as part of your application), but
you are not allowed to distribute imageio on its own without any enclosing
application. This is meant to prevent someone from distributing imageio
alone as a alternative source from Sun.

Marc

-----Original Message-----
From: O. Pfau [mailto:opu@gmx.de]
Sent: May 25, 2007 2:27 PM
To: interest@jai-imageio.dev.java.net
Subject: SPAM-LOW: AW: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution

Hi,

when I read the following in the licence text:

...
(d) Commercial Use. You may use Software internally for your own commercial
purposes.

(e) Service Provider Use. You may make Software functionality accessible
(but not by providing Software itself or through outsourcing services) to
your end users in an extranet deployment, but not to your affiliated
companies or to government agencies.
...

That means that I can not distribute the binaries to customers. Right ?

Oliver

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Andrey Kuznetsov [mailto:ak@imagero.com]
Gesendet: Freitag, 25. Mai 2007 20:10
An: interest@jai-imageio.dev.java.net
Betreff: Re: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution

Oliver,

I never heard that you have to pay for using/redistributing ImageIO
libraries.
If you look at http://jai-imageio.dev.java.net you may discover that
jai-imageio-core is licensed under BSD.

Here you can find license for binaries:
http://download.java.net/media/jai-imageio/builds/release/1.1/LICENSE-ja...
ageio.txt

Andrey

----- Original Message -----
From: "O. Pfau"
To:
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:47 PM
Subject: AW: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution

Hi,

what ist he pricing when I want to distribute the Image IO libraries without
modification to customers ?

Oliver

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Andrey Kuznetsov [mailto:ak@imagero.com]
Gesendet: Freitag, 25. Mai 2007 19:43
An: interest@jai-imageio.dev.java.net
Betreff: Re: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution

Robert,

What you need is to create separate jnlp file for every 3rd party jar and
link to it from your main jnlp file:

for example:




Andrey

----- Original Message -----
From: "robert engels"
To:
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:01 PM
Subject: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution

> To Sun:
>
> Are we allowed to resign and repackage the imageio tools binary
> distribution in order to work properly with webstart (all jars must be
> signed by the same key)?
>
> If not, how are we supposed to get the tools installed legally and
> efficiently ?
>
> Thanks.
> Robert Engels
>
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O. Pfau

Hi,

when I read the following in the licence text:

...
(d) Commercial Use. You may use Software internally for your own commercial
purposes.

(e) Service Provider Use. You may make Software functionality accessible
(but not by providing Software itself or through outsourcing services) to
your end users in an extranet deployment, but not to your affiliated
companies or to government agencies.
...

That means that I can not distribute the binaries to customers. Right ?

Oliver

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Andrey Kuznetsov [mailto:ak@imagero.com]
Gesendet: Freitag, 25. Mai 2007 20:10
An: interest@jai-imageio.dev.java.net
Betreff: Re: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution

Oliver,

I never heard that you have to pay for using/redistributing ImageIO
libraries.
If you look at http://jai-imageio.dev.java.net you may discover that
jai-imageio-core is licensed under BSD.

Here you can find license for binaries:
http://download.java.net/media/jai-imageio/builds/release/1.1/LICENSE-ja...
ageio.txt

Andrey

----- Original Message -----
From: "O. Pfau"
To:
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:47 PM
Subject: AW: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution

Hi,

what ist he pricing when I want to distribute the Image IO libraries without
modification to customers ?

Oliver

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Andrey Kuznetsov [mailto:ak@imagero.com]
Gesendet: Freitag, 25. Mai 2007 19:43
An: interest@jai-imageio.dev.java.net
Betreff: Re: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution

Robert,

What you need is to create separate jnlp file for every 3rd party jar and
link to it from your main jnlp file:

for example:




Andrey

----- Original Message -----
From: "robert engels"
To:
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:01 PM
Subject: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution

> To Sun:
>
> Are we allowed to resign and repackage the imageio tools binary
> distribution in order to work properly with webstart (all jars must be
> signed by the same key)?
>
> If not, how are we supposed to get the tools installed legally and
> efficiently ?
>
> Thanks.
> Robert Engels
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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Andrey Kuznetsov

Oliver,

> That means that I can not distribute the binaries to customers. Right ?
who knows ;-)

jai license seems to have two parts:
Software entitlement and Software license agreement.

Some statements in first and second part seems (for me) to be in
contradiction to each other.

I would follow last statement:
"Please contact Sun Microsystems, Inc. 4150 Network Circle, Santa Clara,
California 95054 if you have questions."Andrey

----- Original Message -----
From: "O. Pfau"
To:
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 8:26 PM
Subject: AW: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution

Hi,

when I read the following in the licence text:

...
(d) Commercial Use. You may use Software internally for your own commercial
purposes.

(e) Service Provider Use. You may make Software functionality accessible
(but not by providing Software itself or through outsourcing services) to
your end users in an extranet deployment, but not to your affiliated
companies or to government agencies.
...

That means that I can not distribute the binaries to customers. Right ?

Oliver

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Andrey Kuznetsov [mailto:ak@imagero.com]
Gesendet: Freitag, 25. Mai 2007 20:10
An: interest@jai-imageio.dev.java.net
Betreff: Re: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution

Oliver,

I never heard that you have to pay for using/redistributing ImageIO
libraries.
If you look at http://jai-imageio.dev.java.net you may discover that
jai-imageio-core is licensed under BSD.

Here you can find license for binaries:
http://download.java.net/media/jai-imageio/builds/release/1.1/LICENSE-ja...
ageio.txt

Andrey

----- Original Message -----
From: "O. Pfau"
To:
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:47 PM
Subject: AW: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution

Hi,

what ist he pricing when I want to distribute the Image IO libraries without
modification to customers ?

Oliver

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Andrey Kuznetsov [mailto:ak@imagero.com]
Gesendet: Freitag, 25. Mai 2007 19:43
An: interest@jai-imageio.dev.java.net
Betreff: Re: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution

Robert,

What you need is to create separate jnlp file for every 3rd party jar and
link to it from your main jnlp file:

for example:




Andrey

----- Original Message -----
From: "robert engels"
To:
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:01 PM
Subject: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution

> To Sun:
>
> Are we allowed to resign and repackage the imageio tools binary
> distribution in order to work properly with webstart (all jars must be
> signed by the same key)?
>
> If not, how are we supposed to get the tools installed legally and
> efficiently ?
>
> Thanks.
> Robert Engels
>
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O. Pfau

Hi,

I have done this already. Sun USA redirected me to the german sales
department which I have contacted also. But unfortunately no answer from
there by now. I would pay for a distribution permission. Very troublesome.

Oliver

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
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Gesendet: Freitag, 25. Mai 2007 20:59
An: interest@jai-imageio.dev.java.net
Betreff: Re: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution

Oliver,

> That means that I can not distribute the binaries to customers. Right ?
who knows ;-)

jai license seems to have two parts:
Software entitlement and Software license agreement.

Some statements in first and second part seems (for me) to be in
contradiction to each other.

I would follow last statement:
"Please contact Sun Microsystems, Inc. 4150 Network Circle, Santa Clara,
California 95054 if you have questions."Andrey

----- Original Message -----
From: "O. Pfau"
To:
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 8:26 PM
Subject: AW: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution

Hi,

when I read the following in the licence text:

...
(d) Commercial Use. You may use Software internally for your own commercial
purposes.

(e) Service Provider Use. You may make Software functionality accessible
(but not by providing Software itself or through outsourcing services) to
your end users in an extranet deployment, but not to your affiliated
companies or to government agencies.
...

That means that I can not distribute the binaries to customers. Right ?

Oliver

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Andrey Kuznetsov [mailto:ak@imagero.com]
Gesendet: Freitag, 25. Mai 2007 20:10
An: interest@jai-imageio.dev.java.net
Betreff: Re: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution

Oliver,

I never heard that you have to pay for using/redistributing ImageIO
libraries.
If you look at http://jai-imageio.dev.java.net you may discover that
jai-imageio-core is licensed under BSD.

Here you can find license for binaries:
http://download.java.net/media/jai-imageio/builds/release/1.1/LICENSE-ja...
ageio.txt

Andrey

----- Original Message -----
From: "O. Pfau"
To:
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:47 PM
Subject: AW: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution

Hi,

what ist he pricing when I want to distribute the Image IO libraries without
modification to customers ?

Oliver

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Andrey Kuznetsov [mailto:ak@imagero.com]
Gesendet: Freitag, 25. Mai 2007 19:43
An: interest@jai-imageio.dev.java.net
Betreff: Re: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution

Robert,

What you need is to create separate jnlp file for every 3rd party jar and
link to it from your main jnlp file:

for example:




Andrey

----- Original Message -----
From: "robert engels"
To:
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:01 PM
Subject: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution

> To Sun:
>
> Are we allowed to resign and repackage the imageio tools binary
> distribution in order to work properly with webstart (all jars must be
> signed by the same key)?
>
> If not, how are we supposed to get the tools installed legally and
> efficiently ?
>
> Thanks.
> Robert Engels
>
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Hi Oliver,

> I have done this already. Sun USA redirected me to the german sales
> department which I have contacted also. But unfortunately no answer from
> there by now. I would pay for a distribution permission. Very troublesome.

Sorry about that. Brian, who probably knows the right answer, will be back
to office today or the coming Tuesday (Monday is a holiday here). Please
wait a bit longer.

Thanks,
-James

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O. Pfau

Hi James,

ok....thanks a lot.

Oliver

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Gesendet: Freitag, 25. Mai 2007 21:25
An: interest@jai-imageio.dev.java.net
Betreff: Re: AW: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution

Hi Oliver,

> I have done this already. Sun USA redirected me to the german sales
> department which I have contacted also. But unfortunately no answer from
> there by now. I would pay for a distribution permission. Very troublesome.

Sorry about that. Brian, who probably knows the right answer, will be back
to office today or the coming Tuesday (Monday is a holiday here). Please
wait a bit longer.

Thanks,
-James

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Andrey Kuznetsov

Oliver,

I never heard that you have to pay for using/redistributing ImageIO
libraries.
If you look at http://jai-imageio.dev.java.net you may discover that
jai-imageio-core is licensed under BSD.

Here you can find license for binaries:
http://download.java.net/media/jai-imageio/builds/release/1.1/LICENSE-ja...

Andrey

----- Original Message -----
From: "O. Pfau"
To:
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:47 PM
Subject: AW: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution

Hi,

what ist he pricing when I want to distribute the Image IO libraries without
modification to customers ?

Oliver

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Andrey Kuznetsov [mailto:ak@imagero.com]
Gesendet: Freitag, 25. Mai 2007 19:43
An: interest@jai-imageio.dev.java.net
Betreff: Re: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution

Robert,

What you need is to create separate jnlp file for every 3rd party jar and
link to it from your main jnlp file:

for example:




Andrey

----- Original Message -----
From: "robert engels"
To:
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:01 PM
Subject: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution

> To Sun:
>
> Are we allowed to resign and repackage the imageio tools binary
> distribution in order to work properly with webstart (all jars must be
> signed by the same key)?
>
> If not, how are we supposed to get the tools installed legally and
> efficiently ?
>
> Thanks.
> Robert Engels
>
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robert engels

That is not really true. The "source" provided there is licensed
under BSD.

The "binaries" (which include code not included in the source) are
under a different license.

On May 25, 2007, at 1:09 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:

> Oliver,
>
> I never heard that you have to pay for using/redistributing ImageIO
> libraries.
> If you look at http://jai-imageio.dev.java.net you may discover
> that jai-imageio-core is licensed under BSD.
>
> Here you can find license for binaries:
> http://download.java.net/media/jai-imageio/builds/release/1.1/
> LICENSE-jai_imageio.txt
>
> Andrey
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "O. Pfau"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:47 PM
> Subject: AW: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution
>
>
> Hi,
>
> what ist he pricing when I want to distribute the Image IO
> libraries without
> modification to customers ?
>
> Oliver
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Andrey Kuznetsov [mailto:ak@imagero.com]
> Gesendet: Freitag, 25. Mai 2007 19:43
> An: interest@jai-imageio.dev.java.net
> Betreff: Re: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution
>
> Robert,
>
> What you need is to create separate jnlp file for every 3rd party
> jar and
> link to it from your main jnlp file:
>
> for example:
>
>
>
>
>

>
> Andrey
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert engels"
>
> To:
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:01 PM
> Subject: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution
>
>
>> To Sun:
>>
>> Are we allowed to resign and repackage the imageio tools binary
>> distribution in order to work properly with webstart (all jars
>> must be
>> signed by the same key)?
>>
>> If not, how are we supposed to get the tools installed legally and
>> efficiently ?
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Robert Engels
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> imageio.dev.java.net
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Robert,

jai-imageio-core project contains no binaries.

Andrey

----- Original Message -----
From: "robert engels"
To:
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution

That is not really true. The "source" provided there is licensed
under BSD.

The "binaries" (which include code not included in the source) are
under a different license.

On May 25, 2007, at 1:09 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:

> Oliver,
>
> I never heard that you have to pay for using/redistributing ImageIO
> libraries.
> If you look at http://jai-imageio.dev.java.net you may discover that
> jai-imageio-core is licensed under BSD.
>
> Here you can find license for binaries:
> http://download.java.net/media/jai-imageio/builds/release/1.1/
> LICENSE-jai_imageio.txt
>
> Andrey
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "O. Pfau"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:47 PM
> Subject: AW: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution
>
>
> Hi,
>
> what ist he pricing when I want to distribute the Image IO libraries
> without
> modification to customers ?
>
> Oliver
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Andrey Kuznetsov [mailto:ak@imagero.com]
> Gesendet: Freitag, 25. Mai 2007 19:43
> An: interest@jai-imageio.dev.java.net
> Betreff: Re: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution
>
> Robert,
>
> What you need is to create separate jnlp file for every 3rd party jar and
> link to it from your main jnlp file:
>
> for example:
>
>
>
>
>

>
> Andrey
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert engels"
>
> To:
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:01 PM
> Subject: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution
>
>
>> To Sun:
>>
>> Are we allowed to resign and repackage the imageio tools binary
>> distribution in order to work properly with webstart (all jars must be
>> signed by the same key)?
>>
>> If not, how are we supposed to get the tools installed legally and
>> efficiently ?
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Robert Engels
>>
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I am discussing the imageio project available at

https://jai-imageio.dev.java.net/

The 'core" projects are just what I said - they are source code
releases only (a SUBSET of imageio), and do not contain all of the
facilities that are available in the imageio project referenced above.

On May 25, 2007, at 1:46 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:

> Robert,
>
> jai-imageio-core project contains no binaries.
>
> Andrey
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert engels"
>
> To:
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 8:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution
>
>
> That is not really true. The "source" provided there is licensed
> under BSD.
>
> The "binaries" (which include code not included in the source) are
> under a different license.
>
>
> On May 25, 2007, at 1:09 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
>
>> Oliver,
>>
>> I never heard that you have to pay for using/redistributing
>> ImageIO libraries.
>> If you look at http://jai-imageio.dev.java.net you may discover
>> that jai-imageio-core is licensed under BSD.
>>
>> Here you can find license for binaries:
>> http://download.java.net/media/jai-imageio/builds/release/1.1/
>> LICENSE-jai_imageio.txt
>>
>> Andrey
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "O. Pfau"
>> To:
>> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:47 PM
>> Subject: AW: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> what ist he pricing when I want to distribute the Image IO
>> libraries without
>> modification to customers ?
>>
>> Oliver
>>
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: Andrey Kuznetsov [mailto:ak@imagero.com]
>> Gesendet: Freitag, 25. Mai 2007 19:43
>> An: interest@jai-imageio.dev.java.net
>> Betreff: Re: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution
>>
>> Robert,
>>
>> What you need is to create separate jnlp file for every 3rd party
>> jar and
>> link to it from your main jnlp file:
>>
>> for example:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

>>
>> Andrey
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert engels"
>>
>> To:
>> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:01 PM
>> Subject: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution
>>
>>
>>> To Sun:
>>>
>>> Are we allowed to resign and repackage the imageio tools binary
>>> distribution in order to work properly with webstart (all jars
>>> must be
>>> signed by the same key)?
>>>
>>> If not, how are we supposed to get the tools installed legally and
>>> efficiently ?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> Robert Engels
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
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Andrey Kuznetsov

Robert,

please read it again:

> If you look at http://jai-imageio.dev.java.net you may discover that jai-imageio-core is licensed under BSD.

Andrey

----- Original Message -----
From: robert engels
To: interest@jai-imageio.dev.java.net
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution

I am discussing the imageio project available at

https://jai-imageio.dev.java.net/

The 'core" projects are just what I said - they are source code releases only (a SUBSET of imageio), and do not contain all of the facilities that are available in the imageio project referenced above.

On May 25, 2007, at 1:46 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:

Robert,

jai-imageio-core project contains no binaries.

Andrey

----- Original Message ----- From: "robert engels"
To:
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution

That is not really true. The "source" provided there is licensed
under BSD.

The "binaries" (which include code not included in the source) are
under a different license.

On May 25, 2007, at 1:09 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:

Oliver,

I never heard that you have to pay for using/redistributing ImageIO libraries.
If you look at http://jai-imageio.dev.java.net you may discover that jai-imageio-core is licensed under BSD.

Here you can find license for binaries:
http://download.java.net/media/jai-imageio/builds/release/1.1/ LICENSE-jai_imageio.txt

Andrey

----- Original Message ----- From: "O. Pfau"
To:
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:47 PM
Subject: AW: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution

Hi,

what ist he pricing when I want to distribute the Image IO libraries without
modification to customers ?

Oliver

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Andrey Kuznetsov [mailto:ak@imagero.com]
Gesendet: Freitag, 25. Mai 2007 19:43
An: interest@jai-imageio.dev.java.net
Betreff: Re: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution

Robert,

What you need is to create separate jnlp file for every 3rd party jar and
link to it from your main jnlp file:

for example:




Andrey

----- Original Message ----- From: "robert engels"
To:
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:01 PM
Subject: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution

To Sun:

Are we allowed to resign and repackage the imageio tools binary
distribution in order to work properly with webstart (all jars must be
signed by the same key)?

If not, how are we supposed to get the tools installed legally and
efficiently ?

Thanks.
Robert Engels

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robert engels

Sorry, but you have poor reading comprehension skills:

The page clearly states:

The source code for the jai-imageio-core and jai-imageio-demos
projects is licensed under the open source Berkeley Software
Distribution (BSD) License.

The bold was added by me.

The jai-imageio-core does not contain the native code which is part
of the complete jai-imageio package.

jai-imageio contains two subprojects : jai-imageio-core, and jai-
imageio-demos. jai-imageio-core IS NOT jai-imageio.

On May 25, 2007, at 3:40 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:

> Robert,
>
> please read it again:
>
> > If you look at http://jai-imageio.dev.java.net you may discover
> that jai-imageio-core is licensed under BSD.
>
> Andrey
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: robert engels
> To: interest@jai-imageio.dev.java.net
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 8:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution
>
> I am discussing the imageio project available at
>
> https://jai-imageio.dev.java.net/
>
> The 'core" projects are just what I said - they are source code
> releases only (a SUBSET of imageio), and do not contain all of the
> facilities that are available in the imageio project referenced above.
>
> On May 25, 2007, at 1:46 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
>
>> Robert,
>>
>> jai-imageio-core project contains no binaries.
>>
>> Andrey
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert engels"
>>
>> To:
>> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 8:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution
>>
>>
>> That is not really true. The "source" provided there is licensed
>> under BSD.
>>
>> The "binaries" (which include code not included in the source) are
>> under a different license.
>>
>>
>> On May 25, 2007, at 1:09 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
>>
>>> Oliver,
>>>
>>> I never heard that you have to pay for using/redistributing
>>> ImageIO libraries.
>>> If you look at http://jai-imageio.dev.java.net you may discover
>>> that jai-imageio-core is licensed under BSD.
>>>
>>> Here you can find license for binaries:
>>> http://download.java.net/media/jai-imageio/builds/release/1.1/
>>> LICENSE-jai_imageio.txt
>>>
>>> Andrey
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "O. Pfau"
>>> To:
>>> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:47 PM
>>> Subject: AW: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> what ist he pricing when I want to distribute the Image IO
>>> libraries without
>>> modification to customers ?
>>>
>>> Oliver
>>>
>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>> Von: Andrey Kuznetsov [mailto:ak@imagero.com]
>>> Gesendet: Freitag, 25. Mai 2007 19:43
>>> An: interest@jai-imageio.dev.java.net
>>> Betreff: Re: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution
>>>
>>> Robert,
>>>
>>> What you need is to create separate jnlp file for every 3rd
>>> party jar and
>>> link to it from your main jnlp file:
>>>
>>> for example:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

>>>
>>> Andrey
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert engels"
>>>
>>> To:
>>> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:01 PM
>>> Subject: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution
>>>
>>>
>>>> To Sun:
>>>>
>>>> Are we allowed to resign and repackage the imageio tools binary
>>>> distribution in order to work properly with webstart (all jars
>>>> must be
>>>> signed by the same key)?
>>>>
>>>> If not, how are we supposed to get the tools installed legally and
>>>> efficiently ?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> Robert Engels
>>>>
>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> --
>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: interest-unsubscribe@jai-
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Andrey Kuznetsov

Robert,

> jai-imageio-core IS NOT jai-imageio
I don't know where I said the opposite.

I made two statements in my post:

first: I said that jai-imageio-core is licensed under BSD
second: I pointed to license for binary distribution of jai-imageio

What exactly is wrong here?

Andrey

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robert engels

Fine, then your post did nothing to respond to my original question :
which involved the repacking of the binary distribution.

On May 25, 2007, at 4:32 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:

> Robert,
>
>> jai-imageio-core IS NOT jai-imageio
> I don't know where I said the opposite.
>
> I made two statements in my post:
>
> first: I said that jai-imageio-core is licensed under BSD
> second: I pointed to license for binary distribution of jai-imageio
>
> What exactly is wrong here?
>
> Andrey
>
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Robert,

it seems that you are confusing two different posts:
first one - about repacking - addressed to you (no need to repack, just
reference it from your jnlp as resource)
and
second one - about jai-imageio licensing - addressed to Oliver.

Andrey

----- Original Message -----
From: "robert engels"
To:
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 11:47 PM
Subject: Re: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution

> Fine, then your post did nothing to respond to my original question :
> which involved the repacking of the binary distribution.
>
> On May 25, 2007, at 4:32 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
>
>> Robert,
>>
>>> jai-imageio-core IS NOT jai-imageio
>> I don't know where I said the opposite.
>>
>> I made two statements in my post:
>>
>> first: I said that jai-imageio-core is licensed under BSD
>> second: I pointed to license for binary distribution of jai-imageio
>>
>> What exactly is wrong here?
>>
>> Andrey
>>
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robert engels

That may be the case, but I started the thread. If Oliver changed it
during the course that is not my problem. This is why you should
always include all previous text when replying (I omitted it here,
since I needed to attach the earlier emails).

I also reviewed all of the messages you posted on both subjects. They
were not correct in either case.

Oliver never asked anything about "core". His message - erroneously
replying to your incorrect reply to me said:

"Hi,

what ist he pricing when I want to distribute the Image IO libraries
without
modification to customers ?

Oliver
"

-----

These were the first 2 messages on the subject.

Your reply is not even close to being correct, or on point. What may
of not been clear is that there is no JNLP distribution for imageio
tools provided by Sun- which means we must repackage in order to
provide it.

I realize there may be a language barrier here, so I am trying to be
understanding, but in the future, please read the questions more
carefully.

-----

Robert,

What you need is to create separate jnlp file for every 3rd party jar
and link to it from your main jnlp file:

for example:




Andrey

----- Original Message ----- From: "robert engels"

To:
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:01 PM
Subject: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution

> To Sun:
>
> Are we allowed to resign and repackage the imageio tools binary
> distribution in order to work properly with webstart (all jars
> must be signed by the same key)?
>
> If not, how are we supposed to get the tools installed legally and
> efficiently ?
>
> Thanks.
> Robert Engels
>

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Bogdan Iamandei

robert engels wrote:
> That may be the case, but I started the thread. If Oliver changed it
> during the course that is not my problem. This is why you should always
> include all previous text when replying (I omitted it here, since I
> needed to attach the earlier emails).
[...]

Jumping Jesus! H! Christ! on a pogo-stick! Will you guys cut this
bickering out? You're worse than a couple of hormonally challenged
teen-agers!

I don't care who got off topic first, and by the looks of things,
neither does Oliver. As far as I'm concerned you both are *way*
off-topic by continuing this "and I said, and then you said, to
which then I said" thread.

Cut it out, and get over it! No one gives a damn about it and neither
of you is adding any value to the initial question.

Sheesh!
Ino!~

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robert engels

STFU. I have contributed many times over the years to this list. Who
the hell are you?

Hijacking a thread is worse than spamming the list - at least spam
can be easily identified. Providing incorrect information without
challenge is just as bad.

As an example, what was a simple and direct question has remained
unanswered, and it likely to remain so unless asked again - due to
all of the worthless unrelated chatter.

My challenges were meant to point out that none of the information
provided was germane to answering the question asked. The chain of
evidence was provided to detail the abuse and where it started, and
so that it should no happen again.

On May 25, 2007, at 6:03 PM, Bogdan Iamandei wrote:

> robert engels wrote:
>> That may be the case, but I started the thread. If Oliver changed
>> it during the course that is not my problem. This is why you
>> should always include all previous text when replying (I omitted
>> it here, since I needed to attach the earlier emails).
> [...]
>
> Jumping Jesus! H! Christ! on a pogo-stick! Will you guys cut this
> bickering out? You're worse than a couple of hormonally challenged
> teen-agers!
>
> I don't care who got off topic first, and by the looks of things,
> neither does Oliver. As far as I'm concerned you both are *way*
> off-topic by continuing this "and I said, and then you said, to
> which then I said" thread.
>
> Cut it out, and get over it! No one gives a damn about it and neither
> of you is adding any value to the initial question.
>
> Sheesh!
> Ino!~
>
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O. Pfau

Hi,

what ist he pricing when I want to distribute the Image IO libraries without
modification to customers ?

Oliver

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Andrey Kuznetsov [mailto:ak@imagero.com]
Gesendet: Freitag, 25. Mai 2007 19:43
An: interest@jai-imageio.dev.java.net
Betreff: Re: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution

Robert,

What you need is to create separate jnlp file for every 3rd party jar and
link to it from your main jnlp file:

for example:




Andrey

----- Original Message -----
From: "robert engels"
To:
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:01 PM
Subject: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution

> To Sun:
>
> Are we allowed to resign and repackage the imageio tools binary
> distribution in order to work properly with webstart (all jars must be
> signed by the same key)?
>
> If not, how are we supposed to get the tools installed legally and
> efficiently ?
>
> Thanks.
> Robert Engels
>
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Nidel, Mike

it doesn't cost anything, but you have to observe the license correctly.

http://download.java.net/media/jai-imageio/builds/release/1.1/LICENSE-ja...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: O. Pfau [mailto:opu@gmx.de]
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 1:48 PM
> To: interest@jai-imageio.dev.java.net
> Subject: AW: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution
>
> Hi,
>
> what ist he pricing when I want to distribute the Image IO
> libraries without modification to customers ?
>
> Oliver
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Andrey Kuznetsov [mailto:ak@imagero.com]
> Gesendet: Freitag, 25. Mai 2007 19:43
> An: interest@jai-imageio.dev.java.net
> Betreff: Re: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution
>
> Robert,
>
> What you need is to create separate jnlp file for every 3rd
> party jar and link to it from your main jnlp file:
>
> for example:
>
>
>
>

>
> Andrey
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "robert engels"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:01 PM
> Subject: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution
>
>
> > To Sun:
> >
> > Are we allowed to resign and repackage the imageio tools binary
> > distribution in order to work properly with webstart (all
> jars must be
> > signed by the same key)?
> >
> > If not, how are we supposed to get the tools installed legally and
> > efficiently ?
> >
> > Thanks.
> > Robert Engels
> >
> >
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Andrey Kuznetsov

Robert,

What you need is to create separate jnlp file for every 3rd party jar and
link to it from your main jnlp file:

for example:




Andrey

----- Original Message -----
From: "robert engels"
To:
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:01 PM
Subject: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution

> To Sun:
>
> Are we allowed to resign and repackage the imageio tools binary
> distribution in order to work properly with webstart (all jars must be
> signed by the same key)?
>
> If not, how are we supposed to get the tools installed legally and
> efficiently ?
>
> Thanks.
> Robert Engels
>
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robert engels

But don't you still need to package the 'dll' or 'so' file into a jar
to be referenced from the section?

This would seem to violate the distribution rules.

On May 25, 2007, at 12:43 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:

> Robert,
>
> What you need is to create separate jnlp file for every 3rd party
> jar and link to it from your main jnlp file:
>
> for example:
>
>
>
>
>

>
> Andrey
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert engels"
>
> To:
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:01 PM
> Subject: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution
>
>
>> To Sun:
>>
>> Are we allowed to resign and repackage the imageio tools binary
>> distribution in order to work properly with webstart (all jars
>> must be signed by the same key)?
>>
>> If not, how are we supposed to get the tools installed legally and
>> efficiently ?
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Robert Engels
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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Andrey Kuznetsov

Robert,

Sorry, but I spoke only about java, not native things.

AFAIK you can't load dll from jar.

Imagine you have found the way to package natives.
How do you want to detect user's OS?
Do you need then two different jnlp files for windows and linux user?

Andrey

----- Original Message -----
From: "robert engels"
To:
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution

> But don't you still need to package the 'dll' or 'so' file into a jar
> to be referenced from the section?
>
> This would seem to violate the distribution rules.
>
> On May 25, 2007, at 12:43 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
>
>> Robert,
>>
>> What you need is to create separate jnlp file for every 3rd party
>> jar and link to it from your main jnlp file:
>>
>> for example:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

>>
>> Andrey
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert engels"
>>
>> To:
>> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:01 PM
>> Subject: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution
>>
>>
>>> To Sun:
>>>
>>> Are we allowed to resign and repackage the imageio tools binary
>>> distribution in order to work properly with webstart (all jars
>>> must be signed by the same key)?
>>>
>>> If not, how are we supposed to get the tools installed legally and
>>> efficiently ?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> Robert Engels
>>>
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robert engels

WebStart does allow you to do this. You can provide different jars
which contains dll or so libs for different OS's.

Please read the webstart documentation.

We KNOW this works. I am only asking about licensing issues due to
the repacking to make webstart work.

On May 25, 2007, at 1:17 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:

> Robert,
>
> Sorry, but I spoke only about java, not native things.
>
> AFAIK you can't load dll from jar.
>
> Imagine you have found the way to package natives.
> How do you want to detect user's OS?
> Do you need then two different jnlp files for windows and linux user?
>
> Andrey
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert engels"
>
> To:
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution
>
>
>> But don't you still need to package the 'dll' or 'so' file into a
>> jar to be referenced from the section?
>> This would seem to violate the distribution rules.
>> On May 25, 2007, at 12:43 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
>>> Robert,
>>>
>>> What you need is to create separate jnlp file for every 3rd
>>> party jar and link to it from your main jnlp file:
>>>
>>> for example:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

>>>
>>> Andrey
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert engels"
>>>
>>> To:
>>> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:01 PM
>>> Subject: [JAI-IMAGEIO] redistribution
>>>
>>>
>>>> To Sun:
>>>>
>>>> Are we allowed to resign and repackage the imageio tools binary
>>>> distribution in order to work properly with webstart (all jars
>>>> must be signed by the same key)?
>>>>
>>>> If not, how are we supposed to get the tools installed legally
>>>> and efficiently ?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> Robert Engels
>>>>
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