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ekerazha
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> So globally, I think we only have to work on X11
> integration and on stability
> to have something ready.

... and on "keyboard support" :p

Pierre D.

Le Samedi 18 Mars 2006 21:50, lg3d@javadesktop.org a écrit :
> > So globally, I think we only have to work on X11
> > integration and on stability
> > to have something ready.
>
> ... and on "keyboard support" :p
What do you mean ?
Since the fix of issue 451, I can write french documents under looking glass
without any problem. Before, I couldn't write french specific caracters...
But I never had any other keyboard issue since months.

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David Weizades

I had a similar problem where my keystrokes wouldn't be recieved by any apps
in the enviroment (lg3d-app in my case). But now it magically fixed itself
without me doing anything, I'm hoping it'll show up again so I can take a
closer look at it.

/Dave
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ekerazha
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I have this same problem, but it didn't magically fix itself :D

dwarfy
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Hi Everybody :)

hideya:

>Looks good! Thanks! I guess we can keep improving it as
>we go (especially filling the white space in the top
>title area).

Yes I thought about the whitespaces too ..
But what to put there ?
Maybe links to lg3d pages ?
?

>And thanks for posting about Trumplayer (an MP3 player
>for LG3D) with a screenshot!

With pleasure !

david :

>Seriously though, some of these apps look way
>interesting, the amazon app
>really caught my eye.

Me too !

cheers
Dwarfy

David Weizades

Sorry for not posting any reviews/cool apps but I'm experiencing a real
showstopper that prevents me from using lg3d, been trying to fix that. Once
I get that sorted there will be no stopping me. :)

/Dave

On 8/2/06, lg3d@javadesktop.org wrote:
>
> Hi Everybody :)
>
> hideya:
>
> >Looks good! Thanks! I guess we can keep improving it as
> >we go (especially filling the white space in the top
> >title area).
>
> Yes I thought about the whitespaces too ..
> But what to put there ?
> Maybe links to lg3d pages ?
> ?
>
> >And thanks for posting about Trumplayer (an MP3 player
> >for LG3D) with a screenshot!
>
> With pleasure !
>
> david :
>
> >Seriously though, some of these apps look way
> >interesting, the amazon app
> >really caught my eye.
>
> Me too !
>
>
> cheers
> Dwarfy
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hideya
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Hi Dave,

Hope the issue will get resolved soon! I'm started working on updating the LG3D scenemanager visuals. I'll leverage the blog to ask input for the new look (give me a bit more time!)

hideya

> Sorry for not posting any reviews/cool apps but I'm experiencing a real
> showstopper that prevents me from using lg3d, been trying to fix that. Once
> I get that sorted there will be no stopping me. :)
>
> /Dave

Pierre D.

Le Mardi 14 Mars 2006 19:50, lg3d@javadesktop.org a écrit :
> Hello LG3Ders,
>
> So, this is the thread to discuss any ideas for non-developer targeted LG3D
> home page. For our convenience, here are related posts:
>
> o
> http://forums.java.net/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=13751&messageID=91444#9144
>4 o http://forums.java.net/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=13751&start=15&tstart=0
> o
> http://forums.java.net/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=13751&messageID=92088#9208
>8
>
> Web pages that are pointed out as good examples are:
>
> o http://plasma.kde.org
> o http://www.songbirdnest.com/home
> o http://gnome.org/
> o http://www.mozilla.org/
>
> I think that it is very important for us to prepare such non-developer
> targeted home page before (or at the same time) we release a stable and
> easy-to-install LG3D version. Please post your input, feedback, etc. If
> you are volunteering this effort, please speak up! :)
I'm volunteering. But some things are really important for this website :
1- Must use dynamic languages. We are extremely limited by the java.net
hosting.
2- Be easy to translate. It's impossible to maintain a translation of the
current LG3D website (that's why I stopped ~10 months ago... I tried again 5
months ago, but it's really impossible)

Perhaps it'd be nice to have drawings of what the new looking glass taskbar
will be, to "copy" it to organise the website (look at
http://konqueror4.home.dyndns.org to see what's possible :)

I had other ideas, but I forgot them while watching the debates about a
"french DMCA"...

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hideya
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Hi Pierre,

Thank you always for your keenness to help us out!

> I'm volunteering. But some things are really important for this website :
> 1- Must use dynamic languages. We are extremely limited by the java.net
> hosting.

Are you talking about PHP? Is there anything you can think of that is missing from java.net? I'm asking this since I'd like to understand the requiremets well.

> 2- Be easy to translate. It's impossible to maintain a translation of the
> current LG3D website (that's why I stopped ~10 months ago... I tried again 5
> months ago, but it's really impossible)

Yeah, I have to agree with you. We just couldn't make it well formatted because of development (coding) pressure we have. The situation hasn't been changed that much. So, any participation from the community is very helpful.

> Perhaps it'd be nice to have drawings of what the new looking glass taskbar
> will be, to "copy" it to organise the website (look at
http://konqueror4.home.dyndns.org to see what's possible :)

This is a good idea, and the page you pointed out does demonstrates what we can do. Although I don't want to complicate the page too much, but I do think that the front page should look very appearing.

hideya

Pierre D.

Le Mercredi 15 Mars 2006 01:07, lg3d@javadesktop.org a écrit :
> Hi Pierre,
Hi hideya
> Thank you always for your keenness to help us out!
>
> > I'm volunteering. But some things are really important for this website :
> > 1- Must use dynamic languages. We are extremely limited by the java.net
> > hosting.
>
> Are you talking about PHP? Is there anything you can think of that is
> missing from java.net? I'm asking this since I'd like to understand the
> requiremets well.
Not only PHP. Any dynamic webpage language : PHP, JSP, Python, Perl or
whatever you want ! I think it'd be smarter to use PHP because every "major"
web "content manager" (blog systems, news systems, forums...) is written
using PHP, so we could use them... But I'm not against rewriting everything
using Python (I love python) or JSP (but I never tried it)

> > 2- Be easy to translate. It's impossible to maintain a translation of the
> > current LG3D website (that's why I stopped ~10 months ago... I tried
> > again 5 months ago, but it's really impossible)
>
> Yeah, I have to agree with you. We just couldn't make it well formatted
> because of development (coding) pressure we have. The situation hasn't
> been changed that much. So, any participation from the community is very
> helpful.
With this website, we could from the beginning format it "clearly". It means
no useless table for instance. But we could also put every visible string in
a separate PHP file : only the PHP file should be translated, and a
translation "manager" (showing translated strings, missing strings...) would
be extremely easy to write...
>
> > Perhaps it'd be nice to have drawings of what the new looking glass
> > taskbar will be, to "copy" it to organise the website (look at
>
> http://konqueror4.home.dyndns.org to see what's possible :)
>
> This is a good idea, and the page you pointed out does demonstrates what we
> can do. Although I don't want to complicate the page too much, but I do
> think that the front page should look very appearing.
It wouldn't be extremely hard with a well written ""content manager"", or with
a template system.
The next saturday will be "la journée portes ouvertes" of my engineering
school (I didn't find the translation in my workbook : it's a day where
everybody can come and visit a firm or a school in this case), I will
demonstrate Looking Glass on my laptop, and I'll also try to work on a good
looking website prototype. But I warn you : I'm not a designer. I never
worked on Looking Glass look, I let you guess why :)

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hideya
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Hi Pierre,

Thanks for getting back to me with ansers!

> Not only PHP. Any dynamic webpage language : PHP, JSP, Python, Perl or
> whatever you want ! I think it'd be smarter to use PHP because every "major"
> web "content manager" (blog systems, news systems, forums...) is written
> using PHP, so we could use them... But I'm not against rewriting everything
> using Python (I love python) or JSP (but I never tried it)

Sure, I understand. Paulby is actually talking with a javadesktop.org guy for any possibility for us to get a space with more freedom. We'll see updates from him if he makes any progress. Fingers are crossed!

> With this website, we could from the beginning format it "clearly". It means
> no useless table for instance. But we could also put every visible string in
> a separate PHP file : only the PHP file should be translated, and a
> translation "manager" (showing translated strings, missing strings...) would
> be extremely easy to write...

This is a good point, and also supports our needs for dynamic languages very well.

> > > http://konqueror4.home.dyndns.org to see what's possible :)
> >
> > This is a good idea, and the page you pointed out does demonstrates what we
> > can do. Although I don't want to complicate the page too much, but I do
> > think that the front page should look very appearing.
>
> It wouldn't be extremely hard with a well written ""content manager"", or with
> a template system.

Sounds very cool! Well, I have a big favor -- would you mind to take the role of lead for this web site renewal? We'll work on finding out decent place to host the new pages. If you could work on organizing the work and developing such "content manager", that would be wonderful. What do you think?

> The next saturday will be "la journée portes ouvertes" of my engineering
> school (I didn't find the translation in my workbook : it's a day where
> everybody can come and visit a firm or a school in this case),

I think we call such an event "Open House" in the U.S. (it is used even for non-house stuff, like in "Sun Labs Open House").

> I will
> demonstrate Looking Glass on my laptop,

Yey! ;) Very cool!

> and I'll also try to work on a good
> looking website prototype.

Oh, OK, so you've already volunteered for creating an improved one! Thanks! :) For the prototype, we can borrow visual assets from other open source sites, so that you can focuse on the platform mechanism implementation.

> But I warn you : I'm not a designer. I never
> worked on Looking Glass look, I let you guess why :)

Because... @#$%$&#*#+$%*$! [censured by still-barely-remaining-Japanese-to-be-polite-culture ;)]

hideya

Pierre D.

Le Mercredi 15 Mars 2006 20:50, lg3d@javadesktop.org a écrit :
> Hi Pierre,
Hi Hideya
> Thanks for getting back to me with ansers!
>
> > Not only PHP. Any dynamic webpage language : PHP, JSP, Python, Perl or
> > whatever you want ! I think it'd be smarter to use PHP because every
> > "major" web "content manager" (blog systems, news systems, forums...) is
> > written using PHP, so we could use them... But I'm not against rewriting
> > everything using Python (I love python) or JSP (but I never tried it)
>
> Sure, I understand. Paulby is actually talking with a javadesktop.org guy
> for any possibility for us to get a space with more freedom. We'll see
> updates from him if he makes any progress. Fingers are crossed!
I hope there'll be some success there...
> > > > http://konqueror4.home.dyndns.org to see what's possible :)
> > >
> > > This is a good idea, and the page you pointed out does demonstrates
> > > what we can do. Although I don't want to complicate the page too much,
> > > but I do think that the front page should look very appearing.
> >
> > It wouldn't be extremely hard with a well written ""content manager"", or
> > with a template system.
>
> Sounds very cool! Well, I have a big favor -- would you mind to take the
> role of lead for this web site renewal? We'll work on finding out decent
> place to host the new pages. If you could work on organizing the work and
> developing such "content manager", that would be wonderful. What do you
> think?
There is one rule, one condition for me to take such a role : I don't want to
be alone. It wouldn't work this way, and that's what I'm fearing. I'm already
trying to work as often as possible on some "nasty" issues like the issue
#451.

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hideya
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Hi Pierre,

> > Well, I have a big favor -- would you mind to take the
> > role of lead for this web site renewal? We'll work on finding out decent
> > place to host the new pages. If you could work on organizing the work and
> > developing such "content manager", that would be wonderful. What do you
> > think?
> There is one rule, one condition for me to take such a role : I don't want to
> be alone. It wouldn't work this way, and that's what I'm fearing.

Sure, we need more people to support this activity. Let's wait a bit to hear from others.

> I'm already
> trying to work as often as possible on some "nasty" issues like the issue
> #451.

Yes, I know it. We really appreciate your keenness, and it'd be great if we could see more from others too! ;-)

hideya

hideya
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Hi steookk and fellow LG3Ders,

> I've got some question about the site. first, who's going to design the layout? and to build the all site? and then when do you think it'll be ready?

The LG3D community (we) design and develop all the pages ;)

Paulby is talking with one of java.net folks about hosting an LG3D site with a short URL. It seem to be going well.

We, project owners, are asking Sun to assign a part of Sun person's time for working on LG3D web pages (we developers need to spend more time on writing code). We are informed that this side is also making progress. As soon as we hear any update, we'll post it here. This person will be binding among the community, java.net and Sun.

As for design and implementation, I can see two major areas:

(1) The platform part -- this would use a language like PHP, and serves as a platform for an attractive (animated) and easy to translate pages.

(2) The visual design part -- this includes deciding layout, creating contents, images, etc.

We are looking for volunteers for the above work. Anyone???

As for timing, we definitely need a well refined final version ready by we ship 1.0, which is around the end of this year. We will start alpha and beta test distribution, so I think it would be good if we could have something ready by this summer. What do you folks think?

If you have any other questions and thoughts regarding non-developer targeted LG3D site, please post them here!

hideya

David Weizades

I'll gladly write some content, I'm aching for something to do on the
project. :)

/Dave

On 3/17/06, lg3d@javadesktop.org wrote:
>
> Hi steookk and fellow LG3Ders,
>
> > I've got some question about the site. first, who's going to design the
> layout? and to build the all site? and then when do you think it'll be
> ready?
>
> The LG3D community (we) design and develop all the pages ;)
>
> Paulby is talking with one of java.net folks about hosting an LG3D site
> with a short URL. It seem to be going well.
>
> We, project owners, are asking Sun to assign a part of Sun person's time
> for working on LG3D web pages (we developers need to spend more time on
> writing code). We are informed that this side is also making progress. As
> soon as we hear any update, we'll post it here. This person will be binding
> among the community, java.net and Sun.
>
> As for design and implementation, I can see two major areas:
>
> (1) The platform part -- this would use a language like PHP, and serves as
> a platform for an attractive (animated) and easy to translate pages.
>
> (2) The visual design part -- this includes deciding layout, creating
> contents, images, etc.
>
> We are looking for volunteers for the above work. Anyone???
>
> As for timing, we definitely need a well refined final version ready by we
> ship 1.0, which is around the end of this year. We will start alpha and
> beta test distribution, so I think it would be good if we could have
> something ready by this summer. What do you folks think?
>
> If you have any other questions and thoughts regarding non-developer
> targeted LG3D site, please post them here!
>
> hideya
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hideya
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Cool! Thanks, David/ddew!

> I'll gladly write some content, I'm aching for something to do on the
project. :)

Any other volunteers? You would be much appreciated!

hideya