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rturnbull
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My original link stopped working and I had a heck of a job finding it again.

All my posts have lost my name (not really a problem, except everything is now tagged as unread)and my signon still works.

Before when I opened the forum page it automattically signed me in.
Now I have to login each time and it throws me to a list of all projects and I have to drill down to swinglabs.
A nuisance :(

PS none of the links to the forum seem to be working

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kleopatra
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Yet another snippet of good news:

> Just noticed something weird: the usernames of the
> "old" messages look totally unfamiliar. See f.i.
>

seems to be fixed, great!! Keep it going!

Jeanette

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> Just noticed something weird: the usernames of the
> "old" messages look totally unfamiliar. See f.i.
>
> http://forums.java.net/jive/thread.jspa?forumID=73&thr
> eadID=7361
>
> I'm sure (comparing with my local copies) that the
> original posters where different, here's an
> incomplete list of original/now:
>
> 'nicfagn' (Nicola Fagnani)/v_narong

v_narong? Certainly there is something wrong.
In fact now I cannot even change the display name of my account or the visibility of my true mail address.
Add to this that my account has lost the list of my posts and you can bet that there is something weird...:-(

I hope someone would care to fix all these things.

Ciao

Nicola

david_hall
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Thanks for getting the 'new message' indicators working -- it does make the forum somewhat more useful

kleopatra
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Nice to hear and see that things get fixed :-)

Would be even nicer, if the persons doing the fixes - I assume you are listening in here - would give occasional input about what they had fixed, tried to fix. Without, this feels like a black hole ...

Jeanette

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> Just noticed something weird: the usernames of the
> "old" messages look totally unfamiliar. See f.i.
>
> http://forums.java.net/jive/thread.jspa?forumID=73&thr
> eadID=7361
>
> I'm sure (comparing with my local copies) that the
> original posters where different, here's an
> incomplete list of original/now:
>
> 'nicfagn' (Nicola Fagnani)/v_narong
> '2starr' (Rob Eden)/mikloprocesador
> 'rturnbull' (Ray Turnbull)/Guest
>
> What happened? Did your change your IDs, Nicola, Row?
> Or did the new mapping go ghastly wrong? Having lost
> old IDs is bad enough - but re-mapping incorrectly to
> arbitrary IDs is even worse ... hopefully I
> mis-interpret what I'm seeing...
>
> Jeanette

At least my old embarrassing posts are no longer tagged with my name :)

Kleopatra

jdnc-interest@javadesktop.org wrote:
>
>
> At least my old embarrassing posts are no longer tagged with my name :)

Aaalways look on the sunny side of the street, dudum, dudum.

Jeanette

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kleopatra
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good news: technically the search looks okay now, thanks.

From a usability point of view it's still severely broken ...

Jeanette

Kleopatra

Hi Jeff,

>
>
> Before I pester O'Reilly to spend hours coming up with this list, can I ask how important this is? Have you been back-reading lots of posts and already stumbled into this problem?
>
> i.e. is this going to be a minor nuisance, or can we skip this in favor of trying to get other things working correctly (such as the lost username issue).
>

It's more than a minor nuisance - the most important problem the
issue tracker which references back to the forum posts quite freely.
Depending on the reporters/commenters preference they are in both link
formats.

Plus my local links are totally broken - I'm always reading the
forum via mailinglist, I reveive everything via mailinglist and in my
local notes have links to forum (which I wrongly assumed to be the most
stable compared to my local copy :-( that are 95% in the format with the
messageID.

So yes, I think it is important.

Jeanette

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kleopatra
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Hi Jeff,

never got any answer on this, so...
>
> >
> >
> > Before I pester O'Reilly to spend hours coming up
> with this list, can I ask how important this is? Have
> you been back-reading lots of posts and already
> stumbled into this problem?
> >
> > i.e. is this going to be a minor nuisance, or can
> we skip this in favor of trying to get other things
> working correctly (such as the lost username issue).
> >
>
> It's more than a minor nuisance - the most important
> problem the
> issue tracker which references back to the forum
> posts quite freely.
> Depending on the reporters/commenters preference they
> are in both link
> formats.
>
> Plus my local links are totally broken - I'm always
> reading the
> forum via mailinglist, I reveive everything via
> mailinglist and in my
> local notes have links to forum (which I wrongly
> assumed to be the most
> stable compared to my local copy :-( that are 95% in
> the format with the
> messageID.
>
> So yes, I think it is important.
>

... nagging a bit - what's the status of the willingness to fix the links with the messageIDs?

Jeanette

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>... nagging a bit - what's the status of the willingness to fix the links with the messageIDs?

Very willing!

Still waiting for the messageID mapping list, when we get that, we'll probably have the jsp redirect up on javadesktop.org the same day.

jeff

Kleopatra

jdnc-interest@javadesktop.org wrote:

> Still waiting for the messageID mapping list,

Kick them!!

Jeanette

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jdinkins
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Hi Jeanette,

>Unfortunately, there are a certain amount of (can't estimate the percentage) links containing messageIds only

Before I pester O'Reilly to spend hours coming up with this list, can I ask how important this is? Have you been back-reading lots of posts and already stumbled into this problem?

i.e. is this going to be a minor nuisance, or can we skip this in favor of trying to get other things working correctly (such as the lost username issue).

jeff

Patrick Wright

Jeff

Of course this is probably a big pain in the neck for you. On this
forum, we _do_ tend to go back periodically and reference old
discussions.

FWIW, I have over 700 messages stored on my Gmail account, going back
to mid-March last year. Of course, it's missing a bunch of messages
that never got posted to the mailing list . I guess in
principle someone could write some Perl to pull the text back out.

Anyway, just to say that we do refer to old messages and discussions,
on a pretty regular basis. My guess not an urgent item right now.

Patrick

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rturnbull
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Using > to quote someone doesn't seem to work any more for me.

Thank goodness :( still works :)

Kleopatra

Yet another grudge: The forum search is near to useless ...

1) it doesn't find what I expect - a search for JXTable f.i. currently
returns 15 (!!) entries. That's ridiculously few.

2) seems like the "date range" criterion might be the culprit - all
matches returned are written in febr, more or less ((didn't check every
single options) irrespective of the setting of the criterion

3) if the search finds lot's of matches (tens of pages, currently that's
reproducible by searching for username only, because of the first point)
the results are not manageable, listing single messages in no (obvious?)
order. Ehh.. just found the sort-by combo . But still: how to manage
the bunch?

4) Looks like search terms are interpreted as "or" (searching of
"jeanette" finds 35, searching "jeanette jxtable" finds 44). Definitely
need finer search control!!

5) no way to change the number of results per page beyond 30... I prefer
to get lots more by page, especially if the search criteria are so dumb
- could go over the page with the brower's find as a last resourt

6) sometimes the search simply freaks out: search for "Action" f.i. -
there is an entry (as you can see in searching jeanette - the top-most
with sort-by relevance) but the page looks like being in an undefined
state (blank below the username textfield), forgets the sort-by,
results-per-page settings

Happy fixing
Jeanette

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evickroy
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It looks like the forum doesn't give an indicator of posts that I haven't read unless I actually respond in the thread... then it flags it for me to read... or as new. Seems backwards.

Will the forums be useable anytime time soon? We're quickly approaching the two week mark. When I come to the forums now, I can't find anything or tell if anyone has been here... it gives the initial impression that the project is dead or in disarray. This definitely isn't good "PR" for Swinglabs.

Erik

Kleopatra

Hi Jeff,

>>BUT: what *is* a big deal, is that all the links to
>>older threads are broken!! We have lots of crosslinks
>>to forum threads
>
>
> Ok - we received the threadID mappings from o'reiily, and Igor has created a jsp mapper. Note: only threadID's are mapped, not individual messageIDs.
>
> Jeanette, can you find some of those threads that have crosslinks and test them out? Let us know if you find errors.

As far as I can tell, it works fine if the links are thread ids - great!
Unfortunately, there are a certain amount of (can't estimate the
percentage) links containing messageIds only :-(

Never really understood (and never cared) about the difference. After a
bit of digging it looks like:

a) the links with the threadID are shown in the browser's goto and the
link in the forum lists

b)the links with the messageIDs are produced by the forum software when
it routes messages written through the web form to the mailinglist. In
this case it creates a footer containing a link with a messageID:

> [Message sent by forum member 'jdinkins' (jdinkins)]
>
> http://forums.java.net/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=79096
>

As a consequence, developers participating through the mailing lists
crosslinked received messages with messageIDs. Any chance to retrieve
those links as well?

Jeanette

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This seems to be the thread for reporting problems (if it isn't, it is now)

One the topic list page, the icon indicating that new messages have been added never seems to be updated. I see a list containing posts that are new since my last visit to the page, but none of the icons that indicate which threads have had traffic are set.

evickroy
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If this is the *nag* thread, then I *really*, *really* miss the ability to come to the forum and immediately see which posts are need that I haven't read yet. At the moment, I'm having to rely on the timestamps at the far right, but old habits are to change.

Erik

evickroy
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Ok Thanks.

Richard just reads blogs all day, so he should have time. ;)

Erik

kleopatra
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Erik,

sorry for not reacting earlier - your message didn't make it to the mailing list (which currently looks like getting everything, again, let's hope it holds for some time)

Hmm, the redirection from the "Discussion forum" item in the nav bar at the left seems to work correctly (redirects to the swinglabs forum), the hyperlink in the text redirects to the list of the java.net desktop forum instead of to the project forum. Is that what you mean?
Could you please the nav bar link for the time being?

I'll put the link fixing on Richards list No - just kidding, I'll go over the links on the sub-project's entry pages right now, and see if I can fix them. Looks like I do not much else except calming down and trying to run after cleaning up the one or other mess ...

Thanks for bringing it to our attention
Jeanette

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> I'll put the link fixing on Richards list No -
> just kidding, I'll go over the links on the
> sub-project's entry pages right now, and see if I can
> fix them.

okay, that particular link is fixed.

But looking over them - what a mess (whistling, tüdelü): the deeper issue is to cleanup the entry pages to some common format.

Jeanette

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> BUT: what *is* a big deal, is that all the links to
> older threads are broken!! We have lots of crosslinks
> to forum threads

Ok - we received the threadID mappings from o'reiily, and Igor has created a jsp mapper. Note: only threadID's are mapped, not individual messageIDs.

Jeanette, can you find some of those threads that have crosslinks and test them out? Let us know if you find errors.

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rbair
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> BUT: what *is* a big deal, is that all the links to
> older threads are
> broken!!

Yes, I noticed this yesterday as well. I believe a fix is in progress. Crossing my fingers ('cause that's a lot of broken links).

Richard

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I was interested in a thread on databinding.

Stages edit > save > mark datarow as changed.

Uploaded a post to this thread with a request for clarification.

Can't find the thread or my post anywhere.

evickroy
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Could someone correct the "SwingLabs Forums" link on the JDNC project site when you get a chance? That's normally how I get to the forum, but it now just takes you to the JavaDesktop forums instead of the new SwingLabs forum as it indicates.

Thanks
Erik

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>Any plans, idea how to fix?

It's possible, we're exploring how hard it is.

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There's another effect that now looks like a bug in the forum s/w -- at least two messages have lost their text: for those of us who only use the web interface, it makes the discussion a little hard to follow (unless the first responder happens to quote the entire message)

http://forums.java.net/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=12804&tstart=-9
http://forums.java.net/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=12665&tstart=0

Looks like both originated from within Sun (Jeanette & Scott) -- perhaps it's a mailing list => forum bug??.

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Hi David,

unfortunately the forum <--> mailinglist exchange is erratic occasionally, ehem ... that's another candidate for the understatement of the year ...

For some weird reasons the posts from both Scott and me started a thread, but lost the content. Scott realized it sooner than I did (only saw it after your alert, thanks!) and duplicated his first later in the same thread. Which I did a couple of minutes ago as well.

Sorry for the mess, as I understand it the forum folks are working near-to round-the-clock to try and fix

Jeanette

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Just noticed something weird: the usernames of the "old" messages look totally unfamiliar. See f.i.

http://forums.java.net/jive/thread.jspa?forumID=73&threadID=7361

I'm sure (comparing with my local copies) that the original posters where different, here's an incomplete list of original/now:

'nicfagn' (Nicola Fagnani)/v_narong
'2starr' (Rob Eden)/mikloprocesador
'rturnbull' (Ray Turnbull)/Guest

What happened? Did your change your IDs, Nicola, Row? Or did the new mapping go ghastly wrong? Having lost old IDs is bad enough - but re-mapping incorrectly to arbitrary IDs is even worse ... hopefully I mis-interpret what I'm seeing...

Jeanette

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The new mapping went ghastly wrong. I noticed in an old thread that Richard resurrected that my istorical username is now 'tmolines'. In the profile, though, the link to my blog is correct, as is the message count and 'From:' link.

Dave

Kleopatra

The move - what a surprise in itself - led to some minor nuisances: like
loosing identity, the lists look unfamiliar, wasn't obvious where to
look, old browser links broken... not a big deal.

BUT: what *is* a big deal, is that all the links to older threads are
broken!! We have lots of crosslinks to forum threads, f.i. from the
issue-trackers to related discussions, sometimes even defining the whole
issue, from threads to related threads which debate options ... the
interlinking was accumulated community knowledge which is *LOST* now,
that's catastrophic :-(

Any plans, idea how to fix?

Very annoyed
Jeanette

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Kleopatra

forgot to mention, that now obviously all my internal links to relevant
debates are broken as well. Trying to find anything with the forum
search is *impossible* - or would you believe that the searchterm
"JXTable" comes up with one match only?.

Furious now!
Jeanette

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gfx
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The forums moved from java.net machines to ours at Sun.

rturnbull
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OK, explains a few things.

What is the silver bullet beside every thread for?

Can we get the 'mark all topics as read' option back.
Will that get rid of the silver bullet