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Anonymous

The JDK1.5 beta release notes say that you need GLX version 1.3 or
higher to use the new OpenGL pipeline. I think I have the latest
OpenGL/DRI/DRM/AGP drivers, but my "glxinfo" command shows that my
client and server GLX are only at version 1.2.

(Other 3D OpenGL applications work fine and run fast, but I can't run
Java 1.5 beta with the OpenGL pipeline - the "using OpenGL pipeline"
message does not appear.)

My system log says "[drm] Initialized radeon 1.10.0 20020828 on minor 0:
ATI Radeon LW Mobility 7500 M7"

glxinfo says:
server glx vendor string: SGI
server glx version string: 1.2
server glx extensions:
GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context
client glx vendor string: SGI
client glx version string: 1.2
client glx extensions:
GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context

Also, as the release notes say is required, I do have GL_ARB_imaging
enabled, and I have up to date OpenGL driver:
OpenGL vendor string: Tungsten Graphics, Inc.
OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Radeon 20020611 AGP 1x x86/MMX/SSE TCL
OpenGL version string: 1.2 Mesa 4.0.4

My question is, how can I find the latest drivers? I think I'm using the
latest drivers. Another question is, why do other applications run fine,
but Java requires a newer version?

Thanks,
-Keith

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Chris Campbell

Hi Keith,

> Are there any plans for partial support for older GLX versions? In my
> experience it seems that most people use the dri.sf.net drivers, but I
> might be wrong.

We chose GLX 1.3 as a baseline after carefully reviewing the
present-day offerings from the major graphics vendors for Linux and
Solaris (Nvidia, ATI, and Sun). From what we've seen, the number of
folks running the DRI drivers is relatively low, compared to the others
I mentioned. We had hoped that the DRI project would move up to GLX
1.3 by the time Tiger ships, but as we've seen from their mailing list,
it looks like they've fallen behind. Hopefully they'll pick up some
more steam in the coming months.

At this point, it doesn't make sense for us to take a step backwards to
GLX 1.2 just to support a small (bleeding edge) subset of the Linux
community. GLX 1.3 offers us a more modern and robust API, and the
performance benefits of the OGL-based Java 2D pipeline would be greatly
diminished if we used GLX 1.2 as a baseline.

Thanks,
Chris

On Feb 25, 2004, at 5:00 PM, Keith Lea wrote:
> Thanks, I might try the official drivers, but not only is my card a
> 7500, it's a Mobility card, which ATI says it absolutely does not
> support (they say drivers are the laptop manufacturer's
> responsibility).
>
> Are there any plans for partial support for older GLX versions? In my
> experience it seems that most people use the dri.sf.net drivers, but I
> might be wrong.
>
> Thanks,
> -Keith
>
> Chris Campbell wrote:
>> Hi Keith,
>>
>> It sounds like your DRI drivers are fairly up-to-date, but I believe
>> that all DRI-based drivers only support GLX 1.2. And as you mention,
>> the OGL-based Java 2D pipeline requires GLX 1.3 (for using pbuffers,
>> locating appropriate visuals, etc).
>>
>> ATI, Nvidia, and Sun (and possibly others) ship OpenGL drivers with
>> GLX
>> 1.3 or higher. The DRI project is the notable exception here.
>> Normally, I would suggest that you install the Linux drivers from
>> ATI's
>> website, but I believe their accelerated drivers are for the Radeon
>> 8500
>> and above only (and probably wouldn't work for your Radeon 7500 based
>> board).
>>
>> I've heard talk of DRI supporting GLX 1.3 features (i.e. pbuffers),
>> but
>> apparently that work has stalled. Until that support is available,
>> I'm
>> afraid you're out of luck.
>>
>> In fact, I just googled for more information, and came across this
>> recent post on the dri-devel list:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/
>> msg15273.html
>>
>> It sounds like the community is interested in GLX 1.3 support from
>> DRI,
>> but it seems that there are no DRI developers currently addressing
>> this
>> feature (a familiar scenario is the wonderful world of open source
>> software).
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> Keith Lea wrote:
>>
>>> The JDK1.5 beta release notes say that you need GLX version 1.3 or
>>> higher to use the new OpenGL pipeline. I think I have the latest
>>> OpenGL/DRI/DRM/AGP drivers, but my "glxinfo" command shows that my
>>> client and server GLX are only at version 1.2.
>>>
>>> (Other 3D OpenGL applications work fine and run fast, but I can't run
>>> Java 1.5 beta with the OpenGL pipeline - the "using OpenGL pipeline"
>>> message does not appear.)
>>>
>>> My system log says "[drm] Initialized radeon 1.10.0 20020828 on
>>> minor 0:
>>> ATI Radeon LW Mobility 7500 M7"
>>>
>>> glxinfo says:
>>> server glx vendor string: SGI
>>> server glx version string: 1.2
>>> server glx extensions:
>>> GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating,
>>> GLX_EXT_import_context
>>> client glx vendor string: SGI
>>> client glx version string: 1.2
>>> client glx extensions:
>>> GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating,
>>> GLX_EXT_import_context
>>>
>>> Also, as the release notes say is required, I do have GL_ARB_imaging
>>> enabled, and I have up to date OpenGL driver:
>>> OpenGL vendor string: Tungsten Graphics, Inc.
>>> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Radeon 20020611 AGP 1x x86/MMX/SSE
>>> TCL
>>> OpenGL version string: 1.2 Mesa 4.0.4
>>>
>>> My question is, how can I find the latest drivers? I think I'm using
>>> the
>>> latest drivers. Another question is, why do other applications run
>>> fine,
>>> but Java requires a newer version?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> -Keith
>>>
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Keith Lea

Okay, that's cool then, I just know that I've seen people using DRI, but
if you say it's not many people, I trust you. Maybe I'll join the DRI
mailing list and bother them every once in a while to see that GLX 1.3
gets implemented. :)

By the way, do you know which drivers the Java Desktop uses by default?
If it uses DRI, maybe Sun could pay some people to implement 1.3 for them :)

-Keith

Chris Campbell wrote:
> Hi Keith,
>
>> Are there any plans for partial support for older GLX versions? In my
>> experience it seems that most people use the dri.sf.net drivers, but I
>> might be wrong.
>
>
> We chose GLX 1.3 as a baseline after carefully reviewing the
> present-day offerings from the major graphics vendors for Linux and
> Solaris (Nvidia, ATI, and Sun). From what we've seen, the number of
> folks running the DRI drivers is relatively low, compared to the others
> I mentioned. We had hoped that the DRI project would move up to GLX
> 1.3 by the time Tiger ships, but as we've seen from their mailing list,
> it looks like they've fallen behind. Hopefully they'll pick up some
> more steam in the coming months.
>
> At this point, it doesn't make sense for us to take a step backwards to
> GLX 1.2 just to support a small (bleeding edge) subset of the Linux
> community. GLX 1.3 offers us a more modern and robust API, and the
> performance benefits of the OGL-based Java 2D pipeline would be greatly
> diminished if we used GLX 1.2 as a baseline.
>
> Thanks,
> Chris

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Chris Campbell

Hi Keith,

It sounds like your DRI drivers are fairly up-to-date, but I believe
that all DRI-based drivers only support GLX 1.2. And as you mention,
the OGL-based Java 2D pipeline requires GLX 1.3 (for using pbuffers,
locating appropriate visuals, etc).

ATI, Nvidia, and Sun (and possibly others) ship OpenGL drivers with GLX
1.3 or higher. The DRI project is the notable exception here.
Normally, I would suggest that you install the Linux drivers from ATI's
website, but I believe their accelerated drivers are for the Radeon 8500
and above only (and probably wouldn't work for your Radeon 7500 based
board).

I've heard talk of DRI supporting GLX 1.3 features (i.e. pbuffers), but
apparently that work has stalled. Until that support is available, I'm
afraid you're out of luck.

In fact, I just googled for more information, and came across this
recent post on the dri-devel list:
http://www.mail-archive.com/dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg15273.html

It sounds like the community is interested in GLX 1.3 support from DRI,
but it seems that there are no DRI developers currently addressing this
feature (a familiar scenario is the wonderful world of open source
software).

Thanks,
Chris

Keith Lea wrote:
> The JDK1.5 beta release notes say that you need GLX version 1.3 or
> higher to use the new OpenGL pipeline. I think I have the latest
> OpenGL/DRI/DRM/AGP drivers, but my "glxinfo" command shows that my
> client and server GLX are only at version 1.2.
>
> (Other 3D OpenGL applications work fine and run fast, but I can't run
> Java 1.5 beta with the OpenGL pipeline - the "using OpenGL pipeline"
> message does not appear.)
>
> My system log says "[drm] Initialized radeon 1.10.0 20020828 on minor 0:
> ATI Radeon LW Mobility 7500 M7"
>
> glxinfo says:
> server glx vendor string: SGI
> server glx version string: 1.2
> server glx extensions:
> GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context
> client glx vendor string: SGI
> client glx version string: 1.2
> client glx extensions:
> GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context
>
> Also, as the release notes say is required, I do have GL_ARB_imaging
> enabled, and I have up to date OpenGL driver:
> OpenGL vendor string: Tungsten Graphics, Inc.
> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Radeon 20020611 AGP 1x x86/MMX/SSE TCL
> OpenGL version string: 1.2 Mesa 4.0.4
>
> My question is, how can I find the latest drivers? I think I'm using the
> latest drivers. Another question is, why do other applications run fine,
> but Java requires a newer version?
>
> Thanks,
> -Keith
>
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Keith Lea

Thanks, I might try the official drivers, but not only is my card a
7500, it's a Mobility card, which ATI says it absolutely does not
support (they say drivers are the laptop manufacturer's responsibility).

Are there any plans for partial support for older GLX versions? In my
experience it seems that most people use the dri.sf.net drivers, but I
might be wrong.

Thanks,
-Keith

Chris Campbell wrote:
> Hi Keith,
>
> It sounds like your DRI drivers are fairly up-to-date, but I believe
> that all DRI-based drivers only support GLX 1.2. And as you mention,
> the OGL-based Java 2D pipeline requires GLX 1.3 (for using pbuffers,
> locating appropriate visuals, etc).
>
> ATI, Nvidia, and Sun (and possibly others) ship OpenGL drivers with GLX
> 1.3 or higher. The DRI project is the notable exception here.
> Normally, I would suggest that you install the Linux drivers from ATI's
> website, but I believe their accelerated drivers are for the Radeon 8500
> and above only (and probably wouldn't work for your Radeon 7500 based
> board).
>
> I've heard talk of DRI supporting GLX 1.3 features (i.e. pbuffers), but
> apparently that work has stalled. Until that support is available, I'm
> afraid you're out of luck.
>
> In fact, I just googled for more information, and came across this
> recent post on the dri-devel list:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg15273.html
>
> It sounds like the community is interested in GLX 1.3 support from DRI,
> but it seems that there are no DRI developers currently addressing this
> feature (a familiar scenario is the wonderful world of open source
> software).
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
>
> Keith Lea wrote:
>
>> The JDK1.5 beta release notes say that you need GLX version 1.3 or
>> higher to use the new OpenGL pipeline. I think I have the latest
>> OpenGL/DRI/DRM/AGP drivers, but my "glxinfo" command shows that my
>> client and server GLX are only at version 1.2.
>>
>> (Other 3D OpenGL applications work fine and run fast, but I can't run
>> Java 1.5 beta with the OpenGL pipeline - the "using OpenGL pipeline"
>> message does not appear.)
>>
>> My system log says "[drm] Initialized radeon 1.10.0 20020828 on minor 0:
>> ATI Radeon LW Mobility 7500 M7"
>>
>> glxinfo says:
>> server glx vendor string: SGI
>> server glx version string: 1.2
>> server glx extensions:
>> GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context
>> client glx vendor string: SGI
>> client glx version string: 1.2
>> client glx extensions:
>> GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context
>>
>> Also, as the release notes say is required, I do have GL_ARB_imaging
>> enabled, and I have up to date OpenGL driver:
>> OpenGL vendor string: Tungsten Graphics, Inc.
>> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Radeon 20020611 AGP 1x x86/MMX/SSE TCL
>> OpenGL version string: 1.2 Mesa 4.0.4
>>
>> My question is, how can I find the latest drivers? I think I'm using the
>> latest drivers. Another question is, why do other applications run fine,
>> but Java requires a newer version?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Keith
>>
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Michael Saunders

What option do I need to set to use the OpenGL pipeline with Java2D?

Michael

Keith Lea wrote:

> Thanks, I might try the official drivers, but not only is my card a
> 7500, it's a Mobility card, which ATI says it absolutely does not
> support (they say drivers are the laptop manufacturer's responsibility).
>
> Are there any plans for partial support for older GLX versions? In my
> experience it seems that most people use the dri.sf.net drivers, but I
> might be wrong.
>
> Thanks,
> -Keith
>
> Chris Campbell wrote:
>
>> Hi Keith,
>>
>> It sounds like your DRI drivers are fairly up-to-date, but I believe
>> that all DRI-based drivers only support GLX 1.2. And as you mention,
>> the OGL-based Java 2D pipeline requires GLX 1.3 (for using pbuffers,
>> locating appropriate visuals, etc).
>>
>> ATI, Nvidia, and Sun (and possibly others) ship OpenGL drivers with GLX
>> 1.3 or higher. The DRI project is the notable exception here.
>> Normally, I would suggest that you install the Linux drivers from ATI's
>> website, but I believe their accelerated drivers are for the Radeon 8500
>> and above only (and probably wouldn't work for your Radeon 7500 based
>> board).
>>
>> I've heard talk of DRI supporting GLX 1.3 features (i.e. pbuffers), but
>> apparently that work has stalled. Until that support is available, I'm
>> afraid you're out of luck.
>>
>> In fact, I just googled for more information, and came across this
>> recent post on the dri-devel list:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg15273.html
>>
>>
>> It sounds like the community is interested in GLX 1.3 support from DRI,
>> but it seems that there are no DRI developers currently addressing this
>> feature (a familiar scenario is the wonderful world of open source
>> software).
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> Keith Lea wrote:
>>
>>> The JDK1.5 beta release notes say that you need GLX version 1.3 or
>>> higher to use the new OpenGL pipeline. I think I have the latest
>>> OpenGL/DRI/DRM/AGP drivers, but my "glxinfo" command shows that my
>>> client and server GLX are only at version 1.2.
>>>
>>> (Other 3D OpenGL applications work fine and run fast, but I can't run
>>> Java 1.5 beta with the OpenGL pipeline - the "using OpenGL pipeline"
>>> message does not appear.)
>>>
>>> My system log says "[drm] Initialized radeon 1.10.0 20020828 on
>>> minor 0:
>>> ATI Radeon LW Mobility 7500 M7"
>>>
>>> glxinfo says:
>>> server glx vendor string: SGI
>>> server glx version string: 1.2
>>> server glx extensions:
>>> GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context
>>> client glx vendor string: SGI
>>> client glx version string: 1.2
>>> client glx extensions:
>>> GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context
>>>
>>> Also, as the release notes say is required, I do have GL_ARB_imaging
>>> enabled, and I have up to date OpenGL driver:
>>> OpenGL vendor string: Tungsten Graphics, Inc.
>>> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Radeon 20020611 AGP 1x x86/MMX/SSE TCL
>>> OpenGL version string: 1.2 Mesa 4.0.4
>>>
>>> My question is, how can I find the latest drivers? I think I'm using
>>> the
>>> latest drivers. Another question is, why do other applications run
>>> fine,
>>> but Java requires a newer version?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> -Keith
>>>
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Keith Lea

Run java with -Dsun.java2d.opengl=true and if you see a message printed
on startup that says "Using OpenGL Pipeline" or something similar, it's
using OpenGL. If, like in my case, it doesn't say that, you might have
old drivers or something.

-Keith

Michael Saunders wrote:
> What option do I need to set to use the OpenGL pipeline with Java2D?
>
> Michael
>
> Keith Lea wrote:
>
>> Thanks, I might try the official drivers, but not only is my card a
>> 7500, it's a Mobility card, which ATI says it absolutely does not
>> support (they say drivers are the laptop manufacturer's responsibility).
>>
>> Are there any plans for partial support for older GLX versions? In my
>> experience it seems that most people use the dri.sf.net drivers, but I
>> might be wrong.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Keith
>>
>> Chris Campbell wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Keith,
>>>
>>> It sounds like your DRI drivers are fairly up-to-date, but I believe
>>> that all DRI-based drivers only support GLX 1.2. And as you mention,
>>> the OGL-based Java 2D pipeline requires GLX 1.3 (for using pbuffers,
>>> locating appropriate visuals, etc).
>>>
>>> ATI, Nvidia, and Sun (and possibly others) ship OpenGL drivers with GLX
>>> 1.3 or higher. The DRI project is the notable exception here.
>>> Normally, I would suggest that you install the Linux drivers from ATI's
>>> website, but I believe their accelerated drivers are for the Radeon 8500
>>> and above only (and probably wouldn't work for your Radeon 7500 based
>>> board).
>>>
>>> I've heard talk of DRI supporting GLX 1.3 features (i.e. pbuffers), but
>>> apparently that work has stalled. Until that support is available, I'm
>>> afraid you're out of luck.
>>>
>>> In fact, I just googled for more information, and came across this
>>> recent post on the dri-devel list:
>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg15273.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It sounds like the community is interested in GLX 1.3 support from DRI,
>>> but it seems that there are no DRI developers currently addressing this
>>> feature (a familiar scenario is the wonderful world of open source
>>> software).
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> Keith Lea wrote:
>>>
>>>> The JDK1.5 beta release notes say that you need GLX version 1.3 or
>>>> higher to use the new OpenGL pipeline. I think I have the latest
>>>> OpenGL/DRI/DRM/AGP drivers, but my "glxinfo" command shows that my
>>>> client and server GLX are only at version 1.2.
>>>>
>>>> (Other 3D OpenGL applications work fine and run fast, but I can't run
>>>> Java 1.5 beta with the OpenGL pipeline - the "using OpenGL pipeline"
>>>> message does not appear.)
>>>>
>>>> My system log says "[drm] Initialized radeon 1.10.0 20020828 on
>>>> minor 0:
>>>> ATI Radeon LW Mobility 7500 M7"
>>>>
>>>> glxinfo says:
>>>> server glx vendor string: SGI
>>>> server glx version string: 1.2
>>>> server glx extensions:
>>>> GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context
>>>> client glx vendor string: SGI
>>>> client glx version string: 1.2
>>>> client glx extensions:
>>>> GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context
>>>>
>>>> Also, as the release notes say is required, I do have GL_ARB_imaging
>>>> enabled, and I have up to date OpenGL driver:
>>>> OpenGL vendor string: Tungsten Graphics, Inc.
>>>> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Radeon 20020611 AGP 1x x86/MMX/SSE TCL
>>>> OpenGL version string: 1.2 Mesa 4.0.4
>>>>
>>>> My question is, how can I find the latest drivers? I think I'm using
>>>> the
>>>> latest drivers. Another question is, why do other applications run
>>>> fine,
>>>> but Java requires a newer version?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> -Keith
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>
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