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aaronanderson
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I can't find any documentation on why webstart is not included in the windows 64 build or when it will be added. Does anyone know?

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lynggaard
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> AFAIK we don't ship webstart or plugin with our
> 64-bit binaries, since they're considered to be used
> in a 'server' or 'development' environments and thus
> don't need plugin/webstart.

I think this is a BIG mistake, please change it ASAP

Looking at the AMD roadmap it shows amost purely 64bit models except the chear sempron chips.These CPUs are mainstream desktop CPUs

Linux desktop has been 64 bit possible for ages now (I ran gentoo64 around a year ago), and now the more mainstream distroes are catching on (running ubuntu now).

Windows 64bit desktop has also just hit the shelves.

64 bit is a desktop technology and we need webstart+plugins.

billyh
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There is currently no 64-bit support of plugin/webstart.

lynggaard
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I know, hence my comment above. :-\

Question is, when is it going to change?

stanleyh
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> Question is, when is it going to change?

We understand the needs of 64-bit support for plugin and webstart for client side deployment, and the feature is currently under evaluation. However, we cannot commit the work to any schedule at this point.

Stanley Ho
J2SE Deployment

cavalleydude
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Hi Stanley,

It's now Sept. 10, any word on the plugin/javaws for the AMD64 Mustang? I 100% totally agree with the previous post when he comments on:

> AFAIK we don't ship webstart or plugin with our
> 64-bit binaries, since they're considered to be used
> in a 'server' or 'development' environments and thus
> don't need plugin/webstart.

This is not reality, 64-bit Windows XP x64 is a desktop OS... plain and simple. You may not totally agree, but you cannot force reality. Windows x64 will be on desktops everywhere soon and the demand WILL come for the 64-bit webstart and plugin... blackdown.org already has it for Linux. We need it... like yesterday.

Please read this article from Microsoft- it explains the 64-bit OS/Browser "state of the nation" so to speak.

http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/01/12/351808.aspx

Because there are few 64-bit plugins available, Windows x64 ships with the IE 32bit as the default!

The 64-bit IE is useless without plugins. I need it for ongoing development now. As are others in the community who are working on 64bit web applications. Until Sun makes the plugin, we are all stuck in 32bit land. Please help us out.

Please tell me you have webstart and browser plugin on the planning program. Can you let us know? :)

Thanks,
Scott-

aaronanderson
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Absolutely! This should be a no brainer. Sun is partners with Microsoft http://www.sun.com/software/javaenterprisesystem/sun_microsoft_interop.pdf

and AMD http://www.sun.com/amd/

The AMD x64 chipset is not only used in servers but also in desktop workstations. Sun has announced support for the Windows OS (read amd64 bit edition) on Sun hardware.

The Sun Ultra 20 ->workstation<-
http://www.sun.com/desktop/workstation/ultra20/index.jsp

claims support for Solaris 10 and Windows amd64.

What is going to happen when JDK 1.6 is released and ultra 20 owners happily download it only to find it is not fully supported on SUN hardware?

cavalleydude
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Great comment above. You are correct, there simply is no reason to deploy the JRE without the WebStart and Browser plugin. These are main functions for deploying/running Web applications.

Sun J2SE Team are you reading this? Your feedback is needed here, please.

I am requesting other developers out there who are in need of this webstart and browser plugin for AMD64 JVM to please post here. We need to get the attention of Sun to make this happen.

While on the subject, webstart and plugin should be available on the AMD64 J2SE 5.0 too. I posted in May 2005, and there has been little response.

http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=629632

At that time Windows x64 was still BETA, but it's now released and more developers are going to run into this same road block.

Developers please add to this post if you need WebStart and IE browser plugin for AMD64.

PS: this is not necessarily the right forum, but the right context to post this... anyone running JDIC (Java Desktop Integration Components)? It embeds the IE browser, but again only 32-bit. See my 64-bit posting.
Project Located at https://jdic.dev.java.net/
JDIC 64-bit Request Posting http://www.javadesktop.org/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=17029&tstart=15

Thanks,
Scott

prunge
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Webstart is essential for 64-bit Windows. Is Sun really considering not having this in Mustang? 64-bit Windows may not be mainstream now, but in a year or two it will be - future desktop machines WILL be 64-bit.

Will we seriously have to wait for Dolphin for this? What's that, another 3 years away? I really don't want to have to tell customers two years down the track that they need to run a 32-bit version of the JVM on their 64-bit machines. That certainly doesn't leave a good impression.

kchen
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This issue has been filed under this RFE.
http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=4802695

As Stanley said, this feature is under consideration. If you want to be heard, you should add your comments to this RFE and vote for this RFE. This RFE is currently not a top 25 RFE on bugs.sun.com.
http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/top25_rfes.do

cavalleydude
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Thanks, I did not know it was already being tracked. Will post my comments there.

cavalleydude
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As kchen stated above, please vote for this to get attention at the link he provided above. It's already got a lots of votes, I think it will make the top 25 this week.

dickee
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Bump a year!

Hey stanleyh and kchen ... cavalleydude and others have asked in many ways in many of Sun's forums to get some response from anyone at Sun about this ridiculous 3 year stumble on your part to support Webstart and Plugin for Win x64 et al.

For my part, I have committed my post-secondary education to courses based on the Java platform. I have recently purchased an AMD64 machine running Win XP Pro x64, and I didn't know until after I installed jdk-6-beta2-windows-amd64 that applets are not supported!

Bug ID 4802695 is now #3 RFE ... please address this issue with a proper corporate response, detailing addys for white papers and build projections please!

https://jdk7.dev.java.net/
http://community.java.net/jdk/opensource/
http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/mr?entry=yes_we_really_are_going
http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/dannycoward?entry=open_source_cutting_t...

Sign up as an SDK7 developer today ... let's make 64-bit support a reality!

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trembovetski
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AFAIK we don't ship webstart or plugin with our 64-bit binaries, since they're considered to be used in a 'server' or 'development' environments and thus don't need plugin/webstart.

If you need webstart/plugin, you can install a 32-bit jdk (assuming your browser is also 32-bit).

I believe 64-bit plugin is under discussion now and the current state could be reconsidered in the future at least for some 64-bit platforms.

I'll defer to deployment folks (Stanley Ho - http://weblogs.java.net/blog/stanleyh/) for further information..

Thanks,
Dmitri
Java2D Team

aaronanderson
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I downloaded the 32bit JDK and got webstart working without issue in IE 32.

I do not know the level of effort of porting webstart to 64 bit but please do reconsider adding support Windows XP x64 edition because it is a consumer level desktop operating system.

linuxhippy
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Yes, of course its there...

aaronanderson
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Maybe I overlooked it, but the installer did not associate jnlp files with webstart and I cannot find a javaws.exe in the bin or jre/bin directories.